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greentips Jun 26, 2010 3:53 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 14199950)
You are putting a lot on TSA and it is all anecdotal.
I have spoken to pax that did not want to go to Disney because it is getting too expensive.
To say that we have lost everything that you stated because of TSA is ludicrous.

I stand corrected. You are correct. It is not just the TSA, it is your parent organization the Department of Homeland Security and its sister organization the State Department which makes getting visas for visiting scientists time consuming and expensive.

coachrowsey Jun 26, 2010 3:58 pm

I also would not visit or spend one dime in Chicago due to hand gun ban.

Kiwi Flyer Jun 26, 2010 4:58 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 14199950)
You are putting a lot on TSA and it is all anecdotal.
I have spoken to pax that did not want to go to Disney because it is getting too expensive.
To say that we have lost everything that you stated because of TSA is ludicrous.

Why is it that USA is getting a declining share of tourist and business travelers?

Speaking only for myself and many other people I know, travel to USA is at a bare minimum in large part because of the hassles.

Ari Jun 26, 2010 5:00 pm


Originally Posted by coachrowsey (Post 14200161)
I also would not visit or spend one dime in Chicago due to hand gun ban.

Give it a week or two . . .

user1 Jun 26, 2010 5:02 pm


Originally Posted by greentips (Post 14198402)
We have lost an Olympic Bid.
We have lost a World Cup bid.

OTOH, imagine what we've saved in bribes.

Ari Jun 26, 2010 5:21 pm


Originally Posted by user1 (Post 14200402)
OTOH, imagine what we've saved in bribes.

Imagine what we (Chicago) lost in bribes from our shows going away.

user1 Jun 26, 2010 8:56 pm


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 14200458)
Imagine what we (Chicago) lost in bribes from our shows going away.

It's Chicago...those are already listed under standard revenue.

oldjonesy Jun 26, 2010 10:52 pm


Originally Posted by nhcowboy (Post 14198301)
Really? REALLY??? After everything the OP went through, and the utterly unconscionable invasion of both her privacy and that of her son, you want to take it one step further and throw her son's toilet training into the mix??? Really - that is the question you come away with after reading her blog?

I am appalled by the treatment the OP received at the hands of the TSA. I am equally appalled by your response. :td::td::td:

I agree 100%

I hadn't even made the connection between the diaper and being 4 years old.


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 14199321)
Who wants to bet that checkpoint video will be unavailable for whatever reason TSA can come up with?

Yep. Unless the story is false - then the video will be shown. If we hear back that the video has been "erased" or "lost" - followed by silence, then you can be sure the story is correct.

As another smart poster commented

* "Oops ... the cameras aren't working" [EWR]
* "Oops ... the cameras weren't pointing at the incident" [ABQ]
* "Oops ... we deleted the video" [PHL]

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/14146228-post214.html

baliktad Jun 26, 2010 11:28 pm

I hate the TSA as much as the next guy (as long as the next guy is named Spiff), but the original blog post is dated 31 May 2010. Unless someone flagged the tapes for special review, it's highly unlikely that the TSA, or any other public/private entity, still has footage from that far back to review.

24/7 streaming video from dozens of cameras takes up a lot of space. An archival period of more than 72 hours would surprise me, and more than a week would be outlandish.

Of course, a very short archival period (24-48 hours) would ensure that the TSA has footage if a plane goes down, but neatly escapes any potential embarrassment, as any customer complaint is likely to take longer than that to generate public outcry.

oldjonesy Jun 26, 2010 11:35 pm


Originally Posted by baliktad (Post 14201438)
I hate the TSA as much as the next guy (as long as the next guy is named Spiff), but the original blog post is dated 31 May 2010. Unless someone flagged the tapes for special review, it's highly unlikely that the TSA, or any other public/private entity, still has footage from that far back to review.

24/7 streaming video from dozens of cameras takes up a lot of space. An archival period of more than 72 hours would surprise me, and more than a week would be outlandish.

Of course, a very short archival period (24-48 hours) would ensure that the TSA has footage if a plane goes down, but neatly escapes any potential embarrassment, as any customer complaint is likely to take longer than that to generate public outcry.

The victim states on her blog that she contacted the agency as soon as practicle after the incident so they should have saved the tapes you would think - who knows.

VH-RMD Jun 27, 2010 2:30 am

if anyone ever doubted the critical thinking ability of employee's of the TSA, there above, you have an excellent example...

Cholula Jun 27, 2010 7:23 am

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Combat Medic Jun 27, 2010 3:17 pm


Originally Posted by baliktad (Post 14201438)
I hate the TSA as much as the next guy (as long as the next guy is named Spiff), but the original blog post is dated 31 May 2010. Unless someone flagged the tapes for special review, it's highly unlikely that the TSA, or any other public/private entity, still has footage from that far back to review.

24/7 streaming video from dozens of cameras takes up a lot of space. An archival period of more than 72 hours would surprise me, and more than a week would be outlandish.

Of course, a very short archival period (24-48 hours) would ensure that the TSA has footage if a plane goes down, but neatly escapes any potential embarrassment, as any customer complaint is likely to take longer than that to generate public outcry.

I can store nice quality video at 1gb/hour. 2TB hard drive will give 2000 camera hours of recording for a cost of $124. So, if we look a having ten cameras covering a checkpoint we would have 200 hours of video for $124. I'd say over a week of video for $124 isn't too much to ask for.

It should also be noted that this is 30 frames per second so we if drop that to 15 then we would get sixteen days of video on a single drive.

Disk space is cheep. If they don't have the video it is because they don't want to have the video.

Scubatooth Jun 27, 2010 4:17 pm

combatmedic - yeah those costs and rates are inline with prices from retail outlets, they drop 5-20% depending on the qty ordered. You can get a OEM builders pack(10) of 2TB Western Digital Caviar RE 32mb cache, 7200 RPM drives for 1100.

I helped a friend put in a video/audio survalliance system in at his studio where there are 30+ cameras feeding HD feeds 24/7 and he can fit a whole days recording on a single DL DVD, but still has a server with a 10TB data array. All of that cost $5K. TSA doesnt need that many cameras at the CP and in volume could do alot better pricing then that.

I still think the reason the tape disappeared is TSA didnt want it to come to light due to them looking bad. Which also falls in to the pattern of past behavior and evidence, which also is insight into future events and behavior.

n4zhg Jun 27, 2010 4:21 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 14199321)
Who wants to bet that checkpoint video will be unavailable for whatever reason TSA can come up with?

Find another sucker, I already bet on the election. I suspect the cameras at that fascist checkpoint were inoperative that day. :D

TSA has a NEGATIVE social value, IMO.


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 14200015)
The TSA in Chicago must be really bad, 'cause we're losing conventions left and right!

Between TSA, Baby Daley, and the Chicago PD (Hill Street Blues would actually be an improvement), it's a wonder anyone wants to go there.


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