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If drug mules swallow drugs and fly, can't terrorists swallow explosive devices?

Old May 8, 10, 5:12 pm
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Originally Posted by TSORon View Post
Did no one read the link I provided?

Listen folks, a bomb is far more than a package of explosives.

Basic components of a bomb:

Explosive
Initiator (blasting cap/detonator)
Power source
Switch (optional in some cases)


Explosive: Most explosives are toxic. Eat them and they kill you.

Initiator: An initiator is filled with what? Explosive. And they are not tiny. Nor would they be easy to swallow. Some have a fuse, and lighting an initiators fuse while in your stomach might pose some serious challenges. Most have wires, which of course require a battery.

Power Source: Ever try to swallow a battery? That is the most common power source for explosives. There are others out there, but trying to get them into ones stomach presents issues that I dont think we can cover here.

Switch: Micro switches are possible, but making them immune to stomach acids would be difficult. Most switches are a bit too large to swallow.

These things are the reason that stomach bombs are a remote possibility. Very remote.
TSORon, you may be on to something here. Stomach bombs, like a terrorist without WEI and a reinforced cockpit door doing harm, are a remote possibility. Very remote. In fact, remote enough that we need not fear them. When are you resigning?

As for stomach bombs, all that is needed is a simple cardiac implantable defibrillator. Lots of people have them, lots of people fly with them. All done with solid state electronics. Surgically implant something in the belly, leave the wound stapled -- Gee TSO, I just had an operation and I'm flying home to my friend to be taken care of. Do it in a community with a major surgical center, no one bats an eye.
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Old May 8, 10, 6:52 pm
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Originally Posted by Combat Medic View Post
I did. It was a very generic article about IEDs. BFD.
It was the best I could find on short notice.

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If they aren't encased in something that you body cannot digest. Like a condom. I can assure you that the terrorists have heard of condoms.
That’s assuming that the explosive itself is not caustic. There are many things that will eat through latex.

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The M100 Micro-Miniature Electric Detonator is very small and doesn't need much power at all. It would be happy to run off a hearing aid battery.
Care to provide a link to this “device”?

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Not a problem. Watch batteries the size of a pencil's eraser will work just fine and give enough battery life for a flight.
Too many assumptions here to list. But I can start with your device, assuming it exists, and the assumption that a watch or hearing aid battery is sufficient.

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The switch wouldn't come in contact with stomach acids. They also wouldn't be a micro switch as you are thinking of it.
Another set of assumptions that I am not ready to buy.

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They are only remote in your mind.
So, now you’re an explosives expert? And a psychologist? How cool! Where do you practice?
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Old May 8, 10, 8:02 pm
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Originally Posted by TSORon View Post
It was the best I could find on short notice.
That's OK, I'm used to failure from the TSA.

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Thats assuming that the explosive itself is not caustic. There are many things that will eat through latex.
There are other materials that the casing can be made of.

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Care to provide a link to this device?
Here it is being used as a self destruct detonator for a fuse on sub-munition.
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2003fuze/strickland.pdf

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Too many assumptions here to list. But I can start with your device, assuming it exists, and the assumption that a watch or hearing aid battery is sufficient.
Look at the above link. Not much of a battery in there. In fact the PDF talks about how little power is required.

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Another set of assumptions that I am not ready to buy.
That's OK. You can be honest and tell me that you don't understand what I'm saying.

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So, now youre an explosives expert? And a psychologist? How cool! Where do you practice?
To somebody that is trained to think like the enemy this is not difficult. I'm sorry that you don't find it as easy as I do.


Look Ron, I know this is tough. This is like having to explain to a kid that Santa isn't real. But...it has to be done.
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Old May 8, 10, 8:46 pm
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One thing to remember. When the loaded condoms break inside the mule, he is a very SICK mule. I'd say a flat no to the device, but the explosives could obviously be swallowed. So what? They could come into port on a freighter. There are a million ways. To me, the point is assembling the bomb ON BOARD the plane. Once you get the explosive inside the mule, what's the method to get it out to join the detonator? Castor oil? 3 oz of castor oil?

I'm betting anything this crossed the minds of the terrorists a decade or more ago. If it hasn't been used, it is because it poses problems they can't solve.
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Old May 8, 10, 8:59 pm
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Originally Posted by LuvAirFrance View Post
One thing to remember. When the loaded condoms break inside the mule, he is a very SICK mule. I'd say a flat no to the device, but the explosives could obviously be swallowed. So what? They could come into port on a freighter. There are a million ways. To me, the point is assembling the bomb ON BOARD the plane. Once you get the explosive inside the mule, what's the method to get it out to join the detonator? Castor oil? 3 oz of castor oil?

I'm betting anything this crossed the minds of the terrorists a decade or more ago. If it hasn't been used, it is because it poses problems they can't solve.
Did you read what I've been posting? Did you read what the other (non-TSA) people have been saying?
The bomb could be assembled before it is introduced to the carrier's body. The bomb would detonate while still inside of the carrier.
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Old May 8, 10, 9:02 pm
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This came, obviously, from bomb experts.
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Old May 8, 10, 9:12 pm
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Originally Posted by LuvAirFrance View Post
This came, obviously, from bomb experts.
Are you talking about me or your half wit objections? Nothing I'm talking about is overly difficult.
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Old May 8, 10, 9:16 pm
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Plastic explosive breast implants have been warned about by British intelligence.
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Old May 8, 10, 9:17 pm
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Yeh, watch out for those exploding boobs. Wait a minute, they are all exploding boobs!
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Old May 8, 10, 9:40 pm
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Plastic explosive breast implants have been warned about by British intelligence.
Yes, the classic binary explosive.

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Yeh, watch out for those exploding boobs. Wait a minute, they are all exploding boobs!
It is actually a practical method of smuggling explosives through a checkpoint for someone of decent size as is the anus of a willing person.
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Old May 8, 10, 10:52 pm
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This from the Daily Mail:

Security sources said the explosives would be detonated by the bomber using a hypodermic syringe to inject TATP (Triacetone Triperoxide) through their skin into the explosives sachet.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0nOtDBeVC
Of course, taking a hypodermic on board in your carry on might raise some eyebrows.

For what its worth the Daily Mail article says they expect the explosive packet to be surgically implanted, not swallowed or in a suppository. That does get around some problems. But I'm betting the male mules are gonna be restless during the flight since I fully expect the surgical site will be infected. I m ean why would they worry about infection in a guy who is willing to die within minutes or hours?

By the way, everything I read on this subject says both sides are standing on a platform built by Irish terrorists.
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Old May 8, 10, 11:04 pm
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But I'm betting the male mules are gonna be restless during the flight since I fully expect the surgical site will be infected. I m ean why would they worry about infection in a guy who is willing to die .
I just ate a big breakfast, so I'll read the linked story much later...

but you mentioned "male" mules.... here what I'm thinking....
pregnant mules? or more precisely... it's easier to surgically
implant something in a female and make her look pregnant.
much more space for whatever.... (or breat implants)... I mean
nobody's gonna aske a pregnant lady to take her clothes off
just to see if she's really pregnant, right? (or a lady with
big breast to see if they are implants with foreign objects?)
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Old May 8, 10, 11:07 pm
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Originally Posted by LuvAirFrance View Post
Of course, taking a hypodermic on board in your carry on might raise some eyebrows.
Not really. There are plenty of diabetics out there.
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Old May 9, 10, 1:35 am
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Yeh, but diabetics don't really need a hypodermic. Also, are security gonna be eager to accept a South Asian, flying to the USA, carrying a note from a Pakistani doctor "Please let my patient carry his hypodermic. Oh, and he's had recent surgery so he needs his special pillow". If they don't give him an enhanced search, I don't want to be on that plane.
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Old May 9, 10, 2:03 am
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Yeh, but diabetics don't really need a hypodermic.
I'm gonna say that type 1 diabetics would disagree with you.
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