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AngryMiller Apr 15, 2010 1:49 pm

iPad going out of US.
 
iPads haven't received full international acceptance and travel with an Ipad to some countries might have your iPad confiscated at customs.

Link

Their country. Their rules.

From the article:


If you had thought to buy Apple's new iPad tablet computer any time soon and bring it to Israel, you may have to change your plans: Starting yesterday, the Communications Ministry has blocked the import of iPads to Israel, and the customs authority has been directed to confiscate them.

clrankin Apr 15, 2010 2:00 pm


Originally Posted by AngryMiller (Post 13778606)
iPads haven't received full international acceptance and travel with an Ipad to some countries might have your iPad confiscated at customs.

Link

Their country. Their rules.

From the article:

What idiocy.

FriendlySkies Apr 15, 2010 2:05 pm

How stupid! I feel sorry for all of the people who are being charged to have Israel house their iPad's in a warehouse!:td::td::td:

AngryMiller Apr 15, 2010 2:09 pm


Originally Posted by clrankin (Post 13778662)
What idiocy.

Yep. When I first saw this it was an oh, no moment. Sure hope that the word gets out before too many people lose their property.:(

Superguy Apr 15, 2010 2:31 pm

Also saw on the news that you'll get your iPad back upon departure, so it's not like it's gone forever.

Still stupid though. :td:

FriendlySkies Apr 15, 2010 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by Superguy (Post 13778880)
Also saw on the news that you'll get your iPad back upon departure, so it's not like it's gone forever.

Still stupid though. :td:

Are they still going to charge people per day?

Aus_Mal Apr 15, 2010 2:35 pm


Originally Posted by clrankin (Post 13778662)
What idiocy.

Why is this idiocy? From the article:


"The iPad device sold exclusively today in the United States operates at broadcast power levels [over its WiFi modem] compatible with American standards," explained the officials. "As the Israeli regulations in the area of WiFi are similar to European standards, which are different from American standards, which permit broadcasting at lower power, therefore the broadcast levels of the device prevent approving its use in Israel," said the officials.
If they haven't certified the device for use in Israel, and have concerns over what interference it may cause, then they have every right to ban it until their concerns are sorted.

Global_Hi_Flyer Apr 15, 2010 9:59 pm

It certainly won't help Apple get corporate business. Having a business electronic device in the hands of a foreign government who can read the data and provide it to companies is a big issue. And certain countries are noted for assisting in industrial espionage.

LuvAirFrance Apr 15, 2010 10:26 pm

Makes me shake my head. America. Won't use metric measurements. Has to have different wireless methods. Different dvd region. Goes on and on and on. What's our big problem? I was reading about the ash cloud and wondering, why does the screen read in feet, not meters?

Makes me so tired sometimes. We act like the "favorite chiild" in a family that never recovers from it.

RadioGirl Apr 16, 2010 12:14 am


Originally Posted by Aus_Mal (Post 13778897)
If they haven't certified the device for use in Israel, and have concerns over what interference it may cause, then they have every right to ban it until their concerns are sorted.

+1

But it also sounds like the Israeli Comms Ministry engineers have been dragging their feet in determining that the iPad complies with their national standards. (And I expect it will, when the analysis is done.)

Originally Posted by LuvAirFrance (Post 13781287)
Makes me shake my head. America. Won't use metric measurements. Has to have different wireless methods. Different dvd region. Goes on and on and on. What's our big problem?

The DVD region thing is an industry device to control int'l trading of disks, but on the other points you're right.

There's a historical reason for (part of) the chaos. Even with telegraph, countries had different technical standards. But when they built int'l networks, they needed common standards. Similarly when radio started in the early 20th century, each country developed their own protocols and rules, especially who could use what frequency band. There were some very early (1903) int'l guidelines, but when a radio transmitter was the size of a truck, there was no real problem with different national standards.

Radio use became more prevalent, advances in electronics made them more powerful, and the systems of different countries started started interfering with each other. The international group set some general guidelines at a level to minimize interference, but not align all the frequency usage. As with everything else, people are happy to have only one set of rules - as long as it's MY set of rules. ;) The last 100 years, we've been slowly moving towards having uniform radio standards, but it's more difficult and frustrating than you could possibly imagine.

With small, portable radio devices that are cheaper if you can sell the same product everywhere (e.g, iPad), common worldwide standards are essential. At the same time, there's big money riding on which system you choose, and political issues in which countries can continue what they're doing and which have to change. There are much bigger political issues in deciding which services are "more important", out of: mobile phones, television, science research, military comms, weather forecasting, maritime radio, air traffic control, community radio, WiFi, aircraft radar, (and hundreds more).

(Hey, I don't call myself RadioGirl for nothing. :D )

Having said that, when most of the rest of the world has nearly agreed to some change, the US has an especially maddening habit of going off in some other direction, then trying to get everyone to follow them. :mad: And there's sometimes a patronizing "we know everything" attitude as well. :td:

LuvAirFrance Apr 16, 2010 12:18 am

Sorry. I think its just nationalistic hogwash. America can't get over its "special child" obsession. For a politician, its a can of worms they just don't see fit to open. But I notice no restaurant has put "freedom fries" on its menu. So rationality rules somewhere. Though I'd not be too shocked to go into some greasey spoon in the south and see "freedom fries" on the menu.

alanR Apr 16, 2010 6:16 am

If a country does things differently from the US then that country is wrong

clrankin Apr 16, 2010 12:06 pm


Originally Posted by alanR (Post 13782575)
If a country does things differently from the US then that country is wrong

+1, at least when it comes to technology. Israel and all the European whiny radiophobes who are afraid of a little stronger wireless signal should get a grip.

Aus_Mal Apr 16, 2010 1:10 pm

<Not worth the effort.>

AngryMiller Apr 16, 2010 1:25 pm


Originally Posted by Aus_Mal (Post 13785001)
-1

Do you even realise what radio interference can do? No, it's not just the noise you hear when you place a cell phone next to a speaker, although that is a good example of how radio interference can affect things.

Decades ago I worked on a program to monitor the AFSATCOM satellites. It would monitor power levels into the communication satellites, type of modulation, amount of modulation, etc. All of this was because another country had a rogue FM station that used the AFSATCOM satellites as a relay system.

A bad third harmonic from a radio station, well outside of a weapons test area, had one of our test weapons lock onto it. The only thing that saved them was the station was outside the range of the weapon.

Not a good thing, but since each country has their own regulations, we as guests should abide by those regulations (i.e. drug smuggling in Singapore can carry a death penalty).


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