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mritty Apr 11, 2010 6:20 pm

Metal rods in back - going through Security?
 
Hello all. In July, I'll be taking my 15-year old half sister on vacation, on her first ever airplane flight. Last year, she had surgery and now has some metal rods implanted in her back. Her mother has told me she'll have documentation from the hospital explaining about the metal inside her.

Does anyone have experience with this sort of thing as relates to the TSA? What is the best procedure? Do we tell someone before she goes through the metal detector? Or do we let her go through first, and then start trying to explain it after it's gone off? If we do tell someone, who? The first TSA rep, who looks at our boarding pass? Or the one on the other side of the metal detector, before she walks through?

After they've been informed, what can she/we expect to have happen? She's 15 - is she really going to have to be patted down by a TSA rep? Is there a chance they're going to need to do a more invasive search than that?

Any tips or advice would be much appreciated.

TSO1973 Apr 11, 2010 7:24 pm


Originally Posted by mritty (Post 13751867)
Hello all. In July, I'll be taking my 15-year old half sister on vacation, on her first ever airplane flight. Last year, she had surgery and now has some metal rods implanted in her back. Her mother has told me she'll have documentation from the hospital explaining about the metal inside her.

Does anyone have experience with this sort of thing as relates to the TSA? What is the best procedure? Do we tell someone before she goes through the metal detector? Or do we let her go through first, and then start trying to explain it after it's gone off? If we do tell someone, who? The first TSA rep, who looks at our boarding pass? Or the one on the other side of the metal detector, before she walks through?

After they've been informed, what can she/we expect to have happen? She's 15 - is she really going to have to be patted down by a TSA rep? Is there a chance they're going to need to do a more invasive search than that?

Any tips or advice would be much appreciated.

Best advice I can tell you is to let the officer working the metal detector that she will most likely alarm the WTMD because of the rods. At that point if she alarms then she will go into secondary screening. As with other medical devices (metal knees, replacement hips, etc), there will be screening done with a hand held metal detector and a pat down done by a female officer.

AngryMiller Apr 11, 2010 8:01 pm


Originally Posted by mritty (Post 13751867)
Hello all. In July, I'll be taking my 15-year old half sister on vacation, on her first ever airplane flight. Last year, she had surgery and now has some metal rods implanted in her back. Her mother has told me she'll have documentation from the hospital explaining about the metal inside her.

Does anyone have experience with this sort of thing as relates to the TSA? What is the best procedure? Do we tell someone before she goes through the metal detector? Or do we let her go through first, and then start trying to explain it after it's gone off? If we do tell someone, who? The first TSA rep, who looks at our boarding pass? Or the one on the other side of the metal detector, before she walks through?

After they've been informed, what can she/we expect to have happen? She's 15 - is she really going to have to be patted down by a TSA rep? Is there a chance they're going to need to do a more invasive search than that?

Any tips or advice would be much appreciated.

TSA ignores any and all paperwork from her doctor. Don't bother to bring it with you. When she alarms, TSA will run her through the hand held metal detector. When she alarms with that she will get patted down. If the TSO patting her down doesn't like what she feels, it might get escalated from there. Do not allow the TSO to publicly strip your sister (it has happened). You might ask for a private screening so as to avoid some of the above. If your sister feels that the TSO went too far, then file a complaint with the airport police and TSA.

Drummer Apr 11, 2010 8:03 pm


Originally Posted by TSO1973 (Post 13752093)
Best advice I can tell you is to let the officer working the metal detector that she will most likely alarm the WTMD because of the rods. At that point if she alarms then she will go into secondary screening. As with other medical devices (metal knees, replacement hips, etc), there will be screening done with a hand held metal detector and a pat down done by a female officer.

This is consistent with my experience with my replacement knee. All the documentation in the world won't help one bit. I do always tell them about the knee as I am about to enter the WTMD, just so they won't be too 'alarmed' by the alarm. But I get the full treatment every time, and for me that's about 80 flights a year.

senseker Apr 11, 2010 8:24 pm


Originally Posted by Drummer (Post 13752258)
This is consistent with my experience with my replacement knee. All the documentation in the world won't help one bit. I do always tell them about the knee as I am about to enter the WTMD, just so they won't be too 'alarmed' by the alarm. But I get the full treatment every time, and for me that's about 80 flights a year.

And I soo wish that if you brought documentation, we wouldn't have to wand/patdown everyone who has medical implants, such as metal rods, metal knees, or whatever.

However, we should all know by now that not everyone is telling the truth, especially the guy the other day at my airport who had metal knees. Oh, and a knife strapped to his leg. Whoops, forgot about that!


Originally Posted by mritty
Hello all. In July, I'll be taking my 15-year old half sister on vacation, on her first ever airplane flight. Last year, she had surgery and now has some metal rods implanted in her back. Her mother has told me she'll have documentation from the hospital explaining about the metal inside her.

Does anyone have experience with this sort of thing as relates to the TSA? What is the best procedure? Do we tell someone before she goes through the metal detector? Or do we let her go through first, and then start trying to explain it after it's gone off? If we do tell someone, who? The first TSA rep, who looks at our boarding pass? Or the one on the other side of the metal detector, before she walks through?

After they've been informed, what can she/we expect to have happen? She's 15 - is she really going to have to be patted down by a TSA rep? Is there a chance they're going to need to do a more invasive search than that?

Any tips or advice would be much appreciated.

When you approach the metal detector, tell the TSO that your sister has metal rods, and that she will alarm. From there, the TSO should tell the other TSO that she has metal rods. There is communication between the TSO at the mag and the TSO who's going to the do the screening. We're trying to help each other, too. Not keep secrets from each other. And even if they don't communicate, you can always tell her. And like Angrymiller says, if your sister feels uncomfortable of being screened in public, just ask for a private screening.

LessO2 Apr 11, 2010 8:50 pm


Originally Posted by senseker (Post 13752345)
And I soo wish that if you brought documentation, we wouldn't have to wand/patdown everyone who has medical implants, such as metal rods, metal knees, or whatever.

However, we should all know by now that not everyone is telling the truth, especially the guy the other day at my airport who had metal knees. Oh, and a knife strapped to his leg. Whoops, forgot about that!

Okay, fair enough.



Originally Posted by senseker (Post 13752345)
When you approach the metal detector, tell the TSO that your sister has metal rods....

That's confusing. You say that there's no reason to believe a passenger, yet you say that's what should be done?

senseker Apr 11, 2010 8:55 pm


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 13752434)
That's confusing. You say that there's no reason to believe a passenger, yet you say that's what should be done?

Well, it would be rather silly to tell the TSO "Well, you won't believe me anyways, so i'm just not going to telll you what I have."

LOL.

LessO2 Apr 11, 2010 9:04 pm


Originally Posted by senseker (Post 13752448)
Well, it would be rather silly to tell the TSO "Well, you won't believe me anyways, so i'm just not going to telll you what I have."

But you just said that they're not going to believe the passenger anyway, so why bother?

And I have heard one passenger say that "you're not going to believe me anyway" line before. I think it was in response to asking if there was any sharp items in the bag (which is a dumb question in the first place).

jkhuggins Apr 11, 2010 9:17 pm


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 13752434)
That's confusing. You say that there's no reason to believe a passenger, yet you say that's what should be done?

Well ... I suppose it shows a willingness to cooperate, and an understanding of the expectation of what's to come.

I mean, all (I think) senseker is suggesting is saying "I'm going to set off the metal detector and will need secondary screening." There's no question of whether or not to trust the passenger; the passenger is still going to walk through the WTMD and prove the statement true. But stating so ahead of time may establish that the passenger understands the procedures to be followed next and is willing to cooperate with them ... which might help to ease the tension caused by secondary screening ever so slightly.

TSO1973 Apr 11, 2010 10:06 pm


Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 13752512)
Well ... I suppose it shows a willingness to cooperate, and an understanding of the expectation of what's to come.

I mean, all (I think) senseker is suggesting is saying "I'm going to set off the metal detector and will need secondary screening." There's no question of whether or not to trust the passenger; the passenger is still going to walk through the WTMD and prove the statement true. But stating so ahead of time may establish that the passenger understands the procedures to be followed next and is willing to cooperate with them ... which might help to ease the tension caused by secondary screening ever so slightly.

It does help. If I know the passenger coming through the WTMD is expecting to alarm for whatever reason, then when it goes off, I don't have to send the person back out to double check their pockets when it's not necessary. It does speed the process along. Many frequent fliers will tell me as they approach the WTMD or point to their knees/hips. It does speed the process.

SATTSO Apr 11, 2010 11:37 pm


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 13752434)
Okay, fair enough.




That's confusing. You say that there's no reason to believe a passenger, yet you say that's what should be done?

It's not confusing if you think about it. When someone alarms the first thing you do is ask them to remove any metal items from their pockets, ask if they have coins or ancell phone. This can take time. If they have a metal implant, no need to waste time, the additional screening begins more quickly.

I have have some people attempt multiple times, removing their watch, glasses, yet they keep alarming, then they ask about their implant, ask if that coukd be causing the alarm. Answer: yes, and thus, no need to remove watch or glasses, etc.

It's actually very helpful for somone to tell us about their metalic implant. Doctors notes are useless in that they dont allow the passenger to avoid secondary screening. It has nothing to do with that we don't believe them. More than a few passengers have had knives and such on them (even a few guns) and said they shouldn't be screened because it was just their metal hip or knee.

JohnWM Apr 15, 2010 9:42 pm

A minor at 15 years of age?
 
Isn't a child of 15 considered a minor in most states? Won't the original poster need some sort of documentation from the half-sister's parent(s) authorizing the original poster to bring the minor aboard? Is the original poster male, or female?

I find this part of the situation much more troubling than surgical rods setting off alarms.

senseker Apr 15, 2010 11:55 pm

I'm pretty sure the airlines let you fly so long as you're 12 or older.

mritty Apr 16, 2010 4:32 am


Originally Posted by JohnWM (Post 13781130)
Isn't a child of 15 considered a minor in most states? Won't the original poster need some sort of documentation from the half-sister's parent(s) authorizing the original poster to bring the minor aboard? Is the original poster male, or female?

I'm male, and I will indeed have documentation from her mother. Regardless, why would that be necessary? What would make them suspect I'm not her legal guardian in the first place? Do parents routinely get asked "Excuse me, sir, can you prove you're this child's father?". *confused*

LuvAirFrance Apr 16, 2010 5:13 am

Well, that would be REAL mission creep. Yet, too bad we can't do that since it potentially could be a federal crime, if it were some adult taking a minor across state lines for immoral purposes.

Just TOOOOOOOOOOO much crime in the world, you can run as fast as you can and remain where you are.


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