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Originally Posted by Flaflyer (Post 13476636)

State Big Brother already has this info. In most states don't insurance companies send info to the DMV automatically, so they know about your insurance? And the state unemployment office as well as the IRS has your income info. But in different offices, not all in front of this low level clerk at the DMV front counter who has no need to see it.

(emphasis mine)

Yes they have much (not all) of the info, but your last point is what really matters. This low-level clerk has no need for all of that data, no need to store it, and creates a huge ID-theft risk by collecting it. And there's not going to be any substantial penalty for the clerk if he leaks it. The IRS has our W2 data but there are at least well-defined statutory penalties for leaking the info. And the IRS has a legal use for the information.

And I don't think states collect the liability limits on car insurance policies, just proof that you have the required minimum. (MA is actually weird because the car owner is the middle-man between the insurance company and the state and has to deliver the carbon-paper "RMV-1" form stamped by the insurance company to the RMV (same as DMV/BMV) when registering a car. )

IMO the combination of income information and insurance liability limits is particularly dangerous because it gives guidance as to who would be a good target for frivolous lawsuits.

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Originally Posted by Flaflyer (Post 13476636)

In one article last year I saw mention of the state scanning ALL the documents you bring in and storing somewhere in a big computer. Now that is a true invasion of privacy as they start your Official Komrade Dossier, and is an ID theft ring goldmine waiting to happen. :td: :td: :td:

That is true.

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/08-140.htm

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(a) States must retain copies of the application, declaration and
source documents presented under Sec. 37.11 of this Part, including
documents used to establish all names recorded by the DMV under Sec.
37.11(c)(2). States shall take measures to protect any personally
identifiable information collected pursuant to the REAL ID Act as
described in their security plan under Sec. 37.41(b)(2).
(1) States that choose to keep paper copies of source documents
must retain the copies for a minimum of seven years.
(2) States that choose to transfer information from paper copies to
microfiche must retain the microfiche for a minimum of ten years.
(3) States that choose to keep digital images of source documents
must retain the images for a minimum of ten years.

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Originally Posted by Flaflyer (Post 13476636)

Part of the linked article: "Those who make it through this document juggernaut become Real ID-compliant and get a tiny gold star on their licenses. At some point, this will be needed to go into a federal building or to board a commercial airliner."

I see a developing market for adhesive "tiny gold stars."

From the news article in the first post:

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Two items showing your home address:
Many documents are acceptable, from a mortgage statement or voter ID card to a utility bill or a car insurance policy.

How hard could these be to forge, and how would the DMV people know? Will utility bills now need to have a series of security features? Will they perhaps need to be pre-approved/pre-certified by some other government agency?

And what about those of us who get all our bills on-line?

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Originally Posted by txrus (Post 13473256)

My business partner's mother, who is well into her 80's, has been caught up in this. She has been married 5 times, buried 2-3 of them (snip)

No, I don't feel the least bit safe(r) thanks to all of this :mad:

I don't think you are in too much danger -- as long as you don't marry your partner's mother.

There isn't any actual "tiny gold star". I think they were thinking back to school days and such. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Ken hAAmer (Post 13492234)

I see a developing market for adhesive "tiny gold stars."

From the news article in the first post:

How hard could these be to forge, and how would the DMV people know? Will utility bills now need to have a series of security features? Will they perhaps need to be pre-approved/pre-certified by some other government agency?

And what about those of us who get all our bills on-line?

Utility bills, car insurance policy, mortgage statement - all are probably useless if one has a P.O.Box only.

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Originally Posted by doober (Post 13493997)

Utility bills, car insurance policy, mortgage statement - all are probably useless if one has a P.O.Box only.

But what would stop you from using someone else's and just changing the name and/or address? I don't imagine most utility bills have a whole lot of "security features."

I am not surprised this is an issue. Even here in one of God's Waiting Room cities - Tampa - they would not accept a online statement form a bill once. They issue resident parking passes for my neighborhood. For the first 3 renewals (every 6 months), they refused to take an online bill. It had to be a statement that was mailed to avoid me making on up in Photoshop (their words). Enough complaining and they now accepted them, but reluctantly. Since cable and water are included in my HOA, and mobile phone bills are always suspect, it is hard to come up with two utility bills.