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Originally Posted by mre5765
(Post 13208794)
I can't see my son putting up with groping.
When he was little, he tended to LOUDLY make his feelings known when he thought something was wrong, especially if someone was being mistreated. I remember even as a toddler, he'd point and yell (really loud), "EVILDOER!" Therefore I made sure he didn't fly until teenage hormones activated his inhibitions. It was a family joke that we were protecting "Mr. Righteous" from himself.... |
Newer posts are up on PV. It looks like Mikey´s mom is winning about 1000 to 0 against Blogger Bob.
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Originally Posted by BubbaLoop
(Post 13211164)
Newer posts are up on PV. It looks like Mikey´s mom is winning about 1000 to 0 against Blogger Bob.
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Originally Posted by doober
(Post 13211197)
There is one post that supports TSA and BB.
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Originally Posted by BubbaLoop
(Post 13211232)
Sorry, Mikey´s Mom = 1000, Bob = 1.
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Originally Posted by doober
(Post 13211197)
There is one post that supports TSA and BB.
(Or maybe it's just Chertoff spamming to drive up nude-o-scope sales.) |
Yet BB has not made amends for the original post.
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Originally Posted by NY-FLA
(Post 13211650)
Are you referring to the one from some knob who states "No more devistation (sic) for our beautiful country. I think i would rather be cavity checked then (sic) hop on a plane not knowing i was safe, not knowing if i was going to die and never see my children again. Screen away TSA cause you never know." ?
(Or maybe it's just Chertoff spamming to drive up nude-o-scope sales.) |
Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 13195514)
What difference woudl it make if Mikey's parents did get a lawyer? Or involve their Congress member?
The lawyer would just get stonewalled ad nauseum and if their Congress person did get involved (very big 'if'), I'm sure there would be a backroom conversation and the Congress member would immediately find other issues to occupy his/her time. Members of Congress often love to have their name in the local/state media, but they don't want it mentioned in an article/report that portrays them as unresponsive to constituents' concerns. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 13211753)
Yet BB has not made amends for the original post.
I've had pity for BB in the past, but this takes the cake. REALITY TO BOB -- HAVE YOU NO SELF RESPECT LEFT??? http://twitter.com/TSABlogTeam @GndCB Sorry you are irked, but there are no children on the lists. Even if there were, it's the FBI's list to maintain, not TSA's. 2:36 PM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to GndCB @Silvansky Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 10:13 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to Silvansky @chrisguillebeau Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 10:11 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to chrisguillebeau @palintwibe Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 10:08 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to palintwibe @DoggieDiamonds Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 10:07 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to DoggieDiamonds @BreitbartTV Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 10:06 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to BreitbartTV @GovZine Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 10:05 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to GovZine @travelingted Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 10:05 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to travelingted @joesharkey Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 10:04 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to joesharkey @edatpost Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 10:04 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to edatpost @thetripchicks Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 10:01 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to thetripchicks @techdirt Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 9:58 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to techdirt @artfanatic411 Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 9:56 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to artfanatic411 @FeliciaSlattery Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 9:52 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to FeliciaSlattery @holeinthedonut Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 9:49 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to holeinthedonut @consumerist Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 9:46 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to consumerist @grivno Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 9:45 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to grivno @jamiekilstein Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 9:44 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to jamiekilstein @kpoulsen Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 9:43 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to kpoulsen @GndCBun Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB @allisonkilkenny Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 9:40 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to allisonkilkenny @RonSupportsYou Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 9:39 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to RonSupportsYou @TheyCallMeEllis Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 9:39 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to TheyCallMeEllis @JuicyGossip Nope, there are still no children on the No Fly or Selectee lists. --> http://bit.ly/6MT9yT ~ BB 9:35 AM Jan 16th from HootSuite in reply to JuicyGossip @DeusExBestia We were all screaming toddlers at one point. Just look at is as karma. :) ~BB 1:35 PM Jan 15th from HootSuite in reply to DeusExBestia @scarpe01 The lists are classified and they are not ours to reveal. http://www.fbi.gov/terrorinfo/counterrorism/faqs.htm ~ BB |
And still no explanation on why TSO's still put the kid through extra screening.
He talks about everyone's responsibility but the TSA's :td: |
Blogdad Bob finally posts on PV, and of course, takes no responsibility for TSA's actions, blaming the airlines and the FBI. Of course, he doesn't apologize for how he responds, say he's not a typical spokeshole. :td: :mad:
Originally Posted by Blogdad Bob
First and foremost, I want clarify that my post wasn’t directed at this or any family who have been inconvenienced in situations such as this, but more at the perpetual reporting that there are children on the No Fly list. As a father of two young children, I sympathize with any parent’s frustration at being told their child is on a terrorist watch list, and empathize with any parent going through that situation. It’s terrible.
We’ve said it before, there are no 8 year olds – or other children – on the No Fly or Selectee lists. We may not own the lists (the Terrorist Screening Center does), but we know that kids aren’t on them for sure. The ticketing agent, sky cap or other airline employees at the airport do not know who is on or not on a watch list, and they have no business telling a parent that their kid is on one because it’s simply not true. Airlines can and should automatically de-select any child that appears to be on a watch list when they see them at the check-in counter. You can also check this out for other debunked myths about watch lists. Anyone who can’t print a boarding pass from home or at a kiosk because they are currently misidentified with someone who is actually on the list should apply for redress to fix the problem. And as I’ve said before, TSA is working to implement the Secure Flight program, which brings watch list matching back to TSA from the airlines. When people provide their date of birth and gender when booking their flight under Secure Flight, it will eliminate about 99% of misidentifications once its fully implemented. For anybody who is new to the TSA Blog, please know that I’m a blogger and not an official TSA media spokesperson. The way I write and address issues is different than a spokesperson would address issues with traditional media, and I certainly didn’t mean to belittle the experience of any families who have been through this. Sincerely, Blogger Bob TSA Blog Team |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 13211753)
Yet BB has not made amends for the original post.
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Originally Posted by n4zhg
(Post 13213927)
Turning blue yet?
Seems very typical for TSA ops. |
Very nice indeed, let's have a look - oh there we go: (sarcasm)
1) Semantics now on three levels: "it's not the TSAs fault, look at the FBI and the airlines" plus "I'm not a TSA spokesperson I just write on the official TSA blog" and "the kid is not on a list" even though he is treated as if he was on the list (otherwise there would be no selectee screening) 2) Not a helpful suggestion either (useless redress programme) 3) Not removing the offensive text where he insults the mother. ^ Great job and congrats again! :D To be fair: the very last sentence could be interpreted as an apology, but I'm not quite sure. |
I wonder if Bob realized that his lame response to Mikey's mom only makes him look more like a dismissive mouthpiece.
Like a poster above said, any modicum of respect I had for Bob has just gone right out the window, never to return. |
Am I missing something here?
If it's not TSA's fault because the lists are owned/maintained by another government entity, then why does TSA run the redress program? And if TSA runs the redress program to correct the FBI's lists, then blaming the kid-frisking entirely on the FBI still doesn't hold water. Kind of silly to say the airlines should have enough sense to unilaterally remove a young child from SSSS (or whatever it currently is), when TSA seems incapable of doing the same... At the very least, Bob could have pledged to liaise between Mikey's parents and the redress program to ensure that Mikey is removed from whatever lists he isn't on... |
Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 13214389)
Am I missing something here?
If it's not TSA's fault because the lists are owned/maintained by another government entity, then why does TSA run the redress program? And if TSA runs the redress program to correct the FBI's lists, then blaming the kid-frisking entirely on the FBI still doesn't hold water. Kind of silly to say the airlines should have enough sense to unilaterally remove a young child from SSSS (or whatever it currently is), when TSA seems incapable of doing the same... Pretty much, it's an excuse for SecureFlight - a "solution" to a problem they created. :td: At the very least, Bob could have pledged to liaise between Mikey's parents and the redress program to ensure that Mikey is removed from whatever lists he isn't on... |
Mikey's Mom isn't letting this go! ^
Originally Posted by Mikey's Mom
Hi Bob,
We're still waiting for an apology which you didn't give in this posting. Please let me know when that will be forthcoming. Just because you identify yourself as a blogger, doesn't give you the leeway to be obnoxious. I know many blogger's who are very intelligent people and quite frankly would never agree with your quote below. "The way I write and address issues is different than a spokesperson would address issues with traditional media." As for your "myth buster", just because you put up a posting on the TSA site and say it's a myth buster doesn't make it true. We do not blindly follow Bob. That's what makes America so great. We've contacted the airlines and they've told us they have no recourse in taking our son off the list. We've filled out the redress information, sent in the forms and copies of our passports. We have dutifully filled out everything we've been asked to fill out and the TSA did not respond until the article hit the front page of the New York Times. You're dealing with intelligent people Bob. People who believe in freedom, justice and the American way. Our family lives 12 miles from where the World Trade Center towers use to stand. I was there Bob when the towers came crumbling down. I photographed funerals for weeks after 9/11 and I saw the anguish and despair. I know people who died on 9/11 Bob. We all want the same thing. We want terrorist caught and innocent people left also. We also want an intelligent government who respects their people. Maybe it's something you ought to ponder Bob. Sincerely, The Hicks Family January 19, 2010 5:37 PM |
Originally Posted by ElPasoPilot
(Post 13213470)
REALITY TO BOB -- HAVE YOU NO SELF RESPECT LEFT???
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Bob just keeps digging the whole deeper, instead of extending an olive branch by offering to help these people get their problem resolved. As a father you would have thought he would have been motivated to help them. I often wondered if the posts on the blog were written by Bob or by some PR flack and had hoped that posts like these were forced upon him. Now that I know Bob writes this stuff himself perhaps it's time to get someone who understands PR to take over for Bob.
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I missed this in Bob's second response:
For anybody who is new to the TSA Blog, please know that I’m a blogger and not an official TSA media spokesperson. Nice parsing of words there, Bob. You may not be "an official TSA media spokesperson" but you are a TSA representative writing on the official TSA blog. You don't get a pass because your business card is missing the word "official." Just man up and apologize. |
Originally Posted by PhoenixRev
(Post 13215133)
I missed this in Bob's second response:
Good grief. Nice parsing of words there, Bob. You may not be "an official TSA media spokesperson" but you are a TSA representative writing on the official TSA blog. You don't get a pass because your business card is missing the word "official." Just man up and apologize. |
Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer
(Post 13215239)
Just take his statements and inaction as further proof that he's just a propagandist.
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For anybody who is new to the TSA Blog, please know that I’m a blogger and not an official TSA media spokesperson. "We don't believe you because you're not an official spokesperson" |
It's not just Mikey's mom...
...and the usual angry chorus on FT.
Now the broader media is taking umbrage with the idea that taxpayer dollars pay for Blogdad Bob's egregious, obnoxious, insulting bloviations. http://reason.com/blog/2010/01/19/ts...-to-mock-peopl TSA Pays Blogger to Mock People Harassed by TSA Radley Balko | January 19, 2010 Bob, maybe it's time for you to just leave. Your usefulness to your agency, if there ever was any such thing, is now at an end. |
well written, we need more moms like this
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So this quote, says that the airlines are at fault? Didn't the TSA detain this child?
"Airlines can and should automatically de-select any 8-year-olds out there that appear to be on a watch list. Whether you're eight or 80, the most common occurrence is name confusion and individuals are told they are on the no fly list when in fact, they are not. If you get a boarding pass, you’re not on the no fly list." I guess though, that my 7 year old nephew is screwed! Also my 71 year old great uncle. SCREWED! Lord I can't believe I have to fly 100 times this year. ooffff! JB |
Mikey´s mom = 1 trillion (more or less). Bob = 0 (lost any won points with that post).
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Here's a fabulous response to Bob posted on PV:
Bob, If your comments were not directed to the Hicks family, then why did you FAN THEIR PAGE AND COMMENT ON FACEBOOK? Isn't that PERSONAL? You are a paid representative of the TSA and the blog is a PR channel, whether the tone is informal or not. In an age where people can get sued over what they tweet, it is irresponsbile for you to claim that your tone is not important. And we KNOW there are technically no children on the list, just NAMES. But when a child is patted down AND CANNOT GET THE REDRESS NUMBER THEN WE HAVE A MAJOR ISSUE. So now that we know you know about the Hicks family, how about addressing that, and stop pretending that you are just a clueless blogger. Perhaps Mrs. Hicks should take over as a representative, because she is the one that has inspired ME to stand up and fight for the American freedom and protection, all at the same time. You, Blogger Bob, are the people we need to be protected from. Because you have a public platform that you are carelessly using, and instead of spending time stopping the real problems, you keep causing more problems. And any person that stands in the way of finding the terrorists is assisting them. |
Update has now been edited
Did anyone notice that the following line from Bob's response, while shown in the Comments section, is missing from the "update 1/19/10 4:45pm" posting at the top of the page:
"For anybody who is new to the TSA Blog, please know that I’m a blogger and not an official TSA media spokesperson." |
It is still in his blog posting that is timed 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by BubbaLoop
(Post 13216331)
Mikey´s mom = 1 trillion (more or less). Bob = 0 (lost any won points with that post).
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Originally Posted by Tom M.
(Post 13216994)
It is still in his blog posting that is timed 4:45pm
I edited my earlier post to reflect this. |
Originally Posted by Maxwell Smart
(Post 13217030)
In the Comments section, it is there, but in the update to the blog posting at the top of the page, that line is missing. Now I'm wondering if it was just a mistake in copy/pasting, or deliberately taken out. Seems strange, though.
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duplicate removed
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Gotta love it when Bob starts removing his own posts....
pure damage control and CYA :td: |
Originally Posted by Tom M.
(Post 13217089)
Gotta love it when Bob starts removing his own posts....
pure damage control and CYA :td: |
And I'm sure they will say it was just an "accident"
Bob is so use to spinning things he is dizzy. |
Originally Posted by AngryMiller
(Post 13217029)
Mikey's mom IMHO has much more credibility than does Blogdad Bob over at PV. He lost nearly all of his credibility within the first six months of that blog going on line. Between the 'it is SSI' and 'you just don't understand' type comments, what little credibility he had vanished. They'd be better in shuttering the blog, reassessing what goals the blog has and then fielding a new team who actually answers questions. If you can't answer the question the point the person in the direction of someone who can answer the question. Not rocket science.
The first few months of PV, with "we're going to explain everything" interspersed with "because it's important, that's why" or "we can't tell you that" set the tone for the rest. There have been several insulting posts along the way, where Bob or his friends implied we were all idiots, but this one really outdid them all. |
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