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tev9999 Jan 9, 2010 1:05 am

New Terrorist Plot? White Envelopes
 
The NW253 paranoia continues to spread, now to courthouses.


A suspicious white envelope placed in the Detroit federal courthouse where a terror suspect had been arraigned caused a scramble by police today but proved to be a false alarm.

A U.S. Marshals Service employee noticed the envelope placed on the ledge of a ground floor window of the federal courthouse on the Fort Street side.

The incident happened just minutes after the suspect in the Christmas Day attempted bombing of a Northwest flight into Detroit was arraigned.

Agents cleared the sidewalk, shut the block down between Shelby and Washington Boulevard and closed the building's Fort Street entrance.

The Detroit Police Bomb Squad came on the scene and federal agents were combing the premises with bomb-sniffing dogs. Police appeared to have a robot on a trailer that is sometimes used to pick up and detonate suspicious packages.

Detroit Police Inspector Don Johnson just briefed the media about the suspicious package outside the courthouse.

Johnson said the origin of the package has been determined. He said an unidentified woman embarrassingly told police she was smoking a cigarette near the window and mistakenly left the envelope there, touching off the scare.

Johnson said the woman was very apologetic.

The bomb squad left the scene.
http://freep.com/article/20100108/NE...be-womans-item

No mention of "out of an abundance of caution", so maybe things are really calming down. :rolleyes:

AINITFUNNY Jan 9, 2010 1:45 am

Well, crazy has become the norm.
If you are NOT paranoid and crazy, you are not "normal" these days.

Richelieu Jan 9, 2010 7:26 am


a suscipious white envelope
What exactly, distinguished it from being a regular white envelope ?

Or was it because the envelope was white? I'd guess the current Administration would be prejudiced against brown envelopes instead.

AngryMiller Jan 9, 2010 7:34 am

overabundance of caution = cowardice from those in authority.

williamsg4713 Jan 9, 2010 8:55 am


Originally Posted by tev9999 (Post 13144875)
The NW253 paranoia continues to spread, now to courthouses.

"Johnson said the origin of the package has been determined. He said an unidentified woman embarrassingly told police she was smoking a cigarette near the window and mistakenly left the envelope there, touching off the scare.

Johnson said the woman was very apologetic.

The bomb squad left the scene."

Well, I don't know what the envelope looked like, and I don't know how much explosive material you could get inside one. But years before 9/11, and years before Oklahoma City (which is where heightened security at courthouses comes from) I drove to work quite early one morning, only to discover that I had left my key to the building at home. So I drove home to get it; and on returning in about an hour strode up to the building. As I did so, I noticed that I had left my briefcase by the door. As I picked it up, a police officer approached me and asked, "Is that yours?" When I replied in the affirmative, he asked, "Does this mean we can tell the bomb squad to go back to bed?"

So maybe this kind of caution is not a totally new thing.

Oh...and I, too, was very apologetic.

Global_Hi_Flyer Jan 9, 2010 9:25 am


Originally Posted by AINITFUNNY (Post 13144967)
Well, crazy has become the norm.
If you are NOT paranoid and crazy, you are not "normal" these days.

Exactly.

OverThereTooMuch Jan 9, 2010 11:13 am


Originally Posted by tev9999 (Post 13144875)
The NW253 paranoia continues to spread, now to courthouses.

So you don't remember the anthrax paranoia from a few years back? I believe that paranoia still exists at all federal buildings.

And many state agencies freak out about these sorts of things too...

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index...to_police.html


Originally Posted by AngryMiller (Post 13145752)
overabundance of caution = cowardice from those in authority.

:rolleyes: Overabundance of caution can be taken to extremes, but it is almost always the best idea.

halls120 Jan 9, 2010 11:41 am


Originally Posted by OverThereTooMuch (Post 13146765)
So you don't remember the anthrax paranoia from a few years back? I believe that paranoia still exists at all federal buildings.

It does. Our mail service still sucks because of it.


Originally Posted by OverThereTooMuch (Post 13146765)
:rolleyes: Overabundance of caution can be taken to extremes, but it is almost always the best idea.

If the caution is targeted, thoughtful, and adjusted as necessary, I agree. The problem is, that isn't how our government is operating.

Richelieu Jan 9, 2010 2:51 pm

Out of an overabundance of caution, you don't have a job, since leaving home expose you to risks of car accident. Overabundance of caution is often the least appropriate response. Balancing risk and inconvenience is usually the better choice IMHO.

exerda Jan 9, 2010 4:26 pm


Originally Posted by OverThereTooMuch (Post 13146765)
:rolleyes: Overabundance of caution can be taken to extremes, but it is almost always the best idea.

I disagree 100%. It's almost never the best idea; a dose of common sense would filter out the vast majority of these overreacting, knee-jerk cases of idiocy.

Now, being cautious is one thing, as is sensible, measured responsibility. However, an "abundance of caution" (much less an "overabundance") is always Newspeak for "acting like chickens with our heads cut off.

OverThereTooMuch Jan 9, 2010 5:02 pm


Originally Posted by exerda (Post 13148287)
I disagree 100%. It's almost never the best idea; a dose of common sense would filter out the vast majority of these overreacting, knee-jerk cases of idiocy.

Now, being cautious is one thing, as is sensible, measured responsibility. However, an "abundance of caution" (much less an "overabundance") is always Newspeak for "acting like chickens with our heads cut off.

While it seems unlikely that you'd have to worry about a bomb in a small white envelope, it could've had some other dangerous substance inside.

Under the circumstances, it would apprear that the response was appropriate.

greentips Jan 9, 2010 7:48 pm


Originally Posted by OverThereTooMuch (Post 13148439)
While it seems unlikely that you'd have to worry about a bomb in a small white envelope, it could've had some other dangerous substance inside.

Under the circumstances, it would apprear that the response was appropriate.

Small white envelopes, big brown envelopes, cardboard boxes, assorted old newspapers and other litter are somewhat commonplace from Alter Road to Wyoming and 8 Mile to Jefferson. If the response is appropriate, they'd have to close the entire city for the next decade.

Boggie Dog Jan 9, 2010 8:57 pm


Originally Posted by OverThereTooMuch (Post 13146765)
So you don't remember the anthrax paranoia from a few years back? I believe that paranoia still exists at all federal buildings.

And many state agencies freak out about these sorts of things too...

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index...to_police.html

:rolleyes: Overabundance of caution can be taken to extremes, but it is almost always the best idea.

If an overabundance of caution is the best idea as you say then when the bridge in Minneapolis failed the sensible thing to do based on your ideas would have been to stop traffic over all bridges. Had TSA been in charge that is probably what would have happen.

Luckily TSA was not in charge.


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