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n4zhg Jan 1, 2010 11:08 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 13091747)
Isn't the primary role of that position of Deputy Chief Counsel for Enforcement that of trying to intimidate those who don't do as the TSA wishes?

In my limited experience, petty bullies aren't big fans of giving personal apologies for their actions or those of their henchmen and hirelings even after checked.

Which is why alternative methods of chastisement become increasingly desirable.

Unfortunately, building a full-size functional guillotine on the sidewalk in front of 601 South 12th Street, Arlington, Virginia will only get you talked about.

halls120 Jan 1, 2010 11:12 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 13091747)
Isn't the primary role of that position of Deputy Chief Counsel for Enforcement that of trying to intimidate those who don't do as the TSA wishes?

In my limited experience, petty bullies aren't big fans of giving personal apologies for their actions or those of their henchmen and hirelings even after checked.

you are presuming it was a voluntary apology. :D

n4zhg Jan 1, 2010 11:14 am


Originally Posted by Flaflyer (Post 13091889)
On the contrary, it probably came back with free Christmas presents added, the latest "but you'll never find it" keystrokelogger and backdoor. I'd never connect that HD to the internet again. [/tinfoil hat]

Tinfoil not needed. I wouldn't put it past them to try such a thing.

My advice would be to do a low-level format of the HD and reinstall from the manufacturer's DVD. Don't trust any PC or laptop that has been in the custody of any government agency.

I would also have Avast! installed. The people who wrote that program live in virus central, and are not beholden to TSA or the US government. That program will likely find any government-installed keyloggers or other government malware.


Originally Posted by halls120 (Post 13091941)
you are presuming it was a voluntary apology. :D

Take it from someone who's been there: apologies like this are NEVER voluntary.

Trollkiller Jan 1, 2010 11:30 am


Originally Posted by n4zhg (Post 13091954)
Tinfoil not needed. I wouldn't put it past them to try such a thing.

My advice would be to do a low-level format of the HD and reinstall from the manufacturer's DVD. Don't trust any PC or laptop that has been in the custody of any government agency.

I would also have Avast! installed. The people who wrote that program live in virus central, and are not beholden to TSA or the US government. That program will likely find any government-installed keyloggers or other government malware.



Take it from someone who's been there: apologies like this are NEVER voluntary.

Destroying the HD data is a bad idea. Instead he should have someone that is independent check the drive for any Government installed spyware. Once that is found write a blog entry on it, and then sue the agency for a violation of the 4th.

n4zhg Jan 1, 2010 11:39 am


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 13092043)
Destroying the HD data is a bad idea. Instead he should have someone that is independent check the drive for any Government installed spyware. Once that is found write a blog entry on it, and then sue the agency for a violation of the 4th.

Assuming you can find an independent expert willing to buck the feds. I'm not sanguine about the chances of that. This isn't an "innocent" government employee who was handed a badly updated laptop then busted for child porn.

AArlington Jan 1, 2010 11:43 am

I think he said it was a Mac. I'm sure though that you can buy a separate HD for a Mac for $150 or so. Put the gov's HD on the shelf and start fresh... Apparently you have bad sectors anyway. Surely the ad revenue from increased traffic on your blog would cover this :).

Olton Hall Jan 1, 2010 12:03 pm

I read on Elliott's blog that the TSA offered to buy sefrischling a new computer because they damaged his Mac Book.

IslandBased Jan 1, 2010 12:10 pm


Originally Posted by Olton Hall (Post 13092230)
I read on Elliott's blog that the TSA offered to buy sefrischling a new computer because they damaged his Mac Book.

Ham fisted hacks... I guess the incompetence starts with the HR department.

Global_Hi_Flyer Jan 1, 2010 12:45 pm

Congratulations.

At least someone came to their senses. We're becoming more and more like the old Soviet machine with this kind of stuff.

Great way to cover up incompetence: blame the messenger.

videomaker Jan 1, 2010 1:33 pm


Originally Posted by Olton Hall (Post 13092230)
I read on Elliott's blog that the TSA offered to buy sefrischling a new computer because they damaged his Mac Book.

What complete morons. I hope he takes them up on the offer, but agree the HD should be reformatted.

(Better yet, let him order the new computer and send them the bill.)

Trollkiller Jan 1, 2010 2:04 pm


Originally Posted by Olton Hall (Post 13092230)
I read on Elliott's blog that the TSA offered to buy sefrischling a new computer because they damaged his Mac Book.

Maybe I am just paranoid, but I am willing to bet that there is a poorly installed spyware program on the damaged computer.

The fact the agency is willing to replace the computer instead of paying for repair of the computer indicates to me they are trying to hide something the repair would reveal.

Think about it, they trashed the HD not the rest of the computer, so why not just replace the HD?

Trollkiller Jan 1, 2010 2:05 pm


Originally Posted by n4zhg (Post 13092094)
Assuming you can find an independent expert willing to buck the feds. I'm not sanguine about the chances of that. This isn't an "innocent" government employee who was handed a badly updated laptop then busted for child porn.

Send it to me and I can find an independent expert.

Ari Jan 1, 2010 2:23 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 13092804)
Think about it, they trashed the HD not the rest of the computer, so why not just replace the HD?

To save face close the matter quietly. Clearly the order to drop the matter and make nice came from above-- that is above Francine. Like halls said, it was not a voluntary "apology". Any about face like that is suspect.

Trollkiller Jan 1, 2010 2:26 pm


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 13092878)
To save face close the matter quietly. Clearly the order to drop the matter and make nice came from above-- that is above Francine. Like halls said, it was not a voluntary "apology". :D

And that is what throws up the red flag. I say if you have them by the shorts, force the issue.

AngryMiller Jan 1, 2010 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 13092892)
And that is what throws up the red flag. I say if you have them by the shorts, force the issue.

The 'investigators' should never have even powered up the pc if they were interested in the chain of evidence. If even half of what I read on Wired is correct then the 'investigators' came totally unprepared to gather evidence.

Suggest doing a google search on DECAF, then once you find a copy run it as that should pretty much scramble anything the government put on it and might even generate a report as to what was put on it to begin with.


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