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iquitos Dec 28, 2009 11:38 am

Nonimmigrant visa process examined
 
It has been suggested again here http://diplopundit.blogspot.com/2009...reer-fair.html that the Nonimmigrant visas (NIV) function be removed from State and transferred to DHS. As is stands now the NIV is permission to apply for admission at the port of entry (POE). This theoretically enables the bearer to travel to the POE to apply for admission. In fact, even that option is limited since to fly to the US on an NIV one needs an APIS clearance to fly from Customs and Border Patrol (CPB): http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/in...nformation.xml

Before the B-1/B-2 business/tourist NIV can be issued the applicant must convince a consular officer of his/her intention to return home after a temporary visit to the US. Before applying the applicant has been photographed and fingerprinted and the consular officer has the feedback from running this biometric information against criminal databases. A namecheck against the CLASS lookout system is also conducted. The Nigerian kid who tried to blow up the Delta/NW flight had an NIV issued in London within the last two years. At the time he was issued his name was not in CLASS. It was also not in the CPB (DHS) lookout system when he cleared APIS from Ghana after buying his round trip ticket to Detroit, this despite his father having expressed concern about his son's radicalization and requested USG assistance in locating him. The Embassy reported this information to the NCTC (DNI)/NTC (FBI) which concluded the information did not rise to the level of including him on the no fly list or revoking his visa. This decision was not made by the State Department or the Embassy in Abuja.

So the suggestion that the State Department dropped the ball on this one is incorrect as far as we know.

alanR Dec 28, 2009 11:56 am

So a terrorist from a visa waiver country or someone "adopting" the identity of such is used.

Then there's the ones who have immigrant visas, green cards or who are citizens of the US...

sitroomlarry Dec 28, 2009 1:02 pm

I would pay no attention to this diatribe from a Bush-era political appointee who clearly has no experience with consular affairs. The canards and stereotypes he propagates play well to his intended audience, but have no basis in fact. I could do a point by point refutation, but it is not worth my time.

iquitos Dec 28, 2009 2:28 pm


Originally Posted by alanR (Post 13067835)
So a terrorist from a visa waiver country or someone "adopting" the identity of such is used.

Then there's the ones who have immigrant visas, green cards or who are citizens of the US...

Impostors may be a problem. But with more biometrics that is getting harder. Alien Resident Cards and US passports present a challenge to POE inspectors. Every visa issuance is vetted against the lookout system. Visa waiver country travelers to the US are subjected to an ESTA clearance before they fly.

iquitos Dec 28, 2009 2:29 pm


Originally Posted by sitroomlarry (Post 13068362)
I would pay no attention to this diatribe from a Bush-era political appointee who clearly has no experience with consular affairs. The canards and stereotypes he propagates play well to his intended audience, but have no basis in fact. I could do a point by point refutation, but it is not worth my time.

True or not it is a widely held misconception.

FlyingHoustonian Dec 28, 2009 3:02 pm

And what about K visas? They are considered non-immigrant even though they carry an intent to immigrate.

Ciao,
FH

jms_uk Dec 28, 2009 3:15 pm


Originally Posted by iquitos (Post 13067697)
The Nigerian boy who tried to blow up the KLM flight

just a small point - NW/DL flight ;)

alanR Dec 28, 2009 3:18 pm


Originally Posted by iquitos (Post 13067697)
The Nigerian boy

Nice one, calling a 23 year old graduate of a major university "BOY".

Is it cos I is black?

iquitos Dec 28, 2009 3:30 pm


Originally Posted by alanR (Post 13069388)
Nice one, calling a 23 year old graduate of a major university "BOY".

Is it cos I is black?

Not at all. Because he has been described as young looking and he is way younger than me. Still a kid in my eyes.

iquitos Dec 28, 2009 3:31 pm


Originally Posted by jms_uk (Post 13069369)
just a small point - NW/DL flight ;)


corrected. i have my alliances crossed.

alanR Dec 28, 2009 3:42 pm


Originally Posted by iquitos (Post 13069467)
Not at all. Because he has been described as young looking and he is way younger than me. Still a boy in my eyes.

Would you call a black man at home "Boy"?

iquitos Dec 28, 2009 6:39 pm

timeline
 
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009...-Timeline.html

2009

--January: Abdulmutallab attends the University of Wollongong in Dubai.

--May 2009: Britain refuses to grant Abdulmutallab a student visa because the school on his application form was not a government-approved institution.

--August to early December: Abdulmutallab visits Yemen after receiving a visa to study Arabic in a school in Sana'a, according to the Yemeni Foreign Ministry.

--Nov. 19: Abdulmutallab's father goes to the U.S. embassy in Abuja, Nigeria, to express concern his son was in Yemen and had fallen under the influence of extremists.

--Nov. 20: The U.S. embassy sends a so-called ''VISAS VIPER'' cable with the information that Abdulmutallab's father had provided. The cable is sent to all U.S. diplomatic missions and the State Department in Washington, where it was also shared with the interagency National Counterterrorism Center for review.

--Nov. 20, 2009, Abdulmutallab's name is entered into the National Counterterrorism Center's Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment (TIDE) database based on information provided by his father.

--Dec. 16: Abdulmutallab's round-trip plane ticket is purchased in Accra, Ghana, for $2,831 in cash, presumably by Abdulmutallab himself, according to Nigerian officials.

--Dec. 24: Abdulmutallab re-enters Nigeria for only one day to board a flight from Lagos to Detroit, via Amsterdam.

--Dec. 25: Abdulmutallab allegedly tries to bring down Northwest Airlines Flight 253 as it approaches Detroit. The plane lands safely and he is taken to the University of Michigan Medical Center in Ann Arbor, Mich., for treatment of burns.

--Dec. 27: Abdulmutallab is transferred to a federal prison in Michigan.

iquitos Dec 28, 2009 6:41 pm


Originally Posted by FlyingHoustonian (Post 13069275)
And what about K visas? They are considered non-immigrant even though they carry an intent to immigrate.

Ciao,
FH

there are several niv categories where the intent to return foreign is not required. k is one. i am talking about the b tourist category of visa he had.

GUWonder Dec 28, 2009 6:48 pm

DHS is a messed up organization and has trouble enough even attempting to "fix" the TSA. No need to give DHS more control over current State Department functions.

GUWonder Dec 28, 2009 6:50 pm


Originally Posted by iquitos (Post 13070506)
there are several niv categories where the intent to return foreign is not required. k is one. i am talking about the b tourist category of visa he had.

If that is your issue, you should have specified it earlier.


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