New TSA security measures in the aftermath of the NW AMS/DTW flight

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Dec 28, 2009, 2:55 pm

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Originally Posted by NY-FLA

Maybe then they'll respect the authoritie of the U.S.A.

Fly to Seattle, drive to Vancouver. Always was my preference anyway.

or vice versa to avoid the US stupidity rules. Drive to vancouver fly anywhere but the US and avoid the rules.

Dec 28, 2009, 2:58 pm

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Originally Posted by AngryMiller

Been gate and checkpoint groped around the groin area several times in the past by TSA, but recently, no.

Things will become even more fun for the folks with bladder control issues who wear things like Depends.

Dec 28, 2009, 2:58 pm

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Originally Posted by goalie

and amost verbatim stupidity on the ua website.....

http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6867,53307,00.html

this nonsense has to stop!

Please note the word "excluded." It's not INCLUDED. It's EXCLUDED.

Resume your normal posting

Dec 28, 2009, 3:02 pm

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Originally Posted by JimYUL

Although the restrictions have now "possibly" been eased, I did find the solution for peeing in your seat....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXqtMkBipIs

Perfect, just like the TSA’s Security Theatre you get a brief nice warm feeling, then the realization that you are sitting in a cold puddle of pee.

Dec 28, 2009, 3:11 pm

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Originally Posted by zipadee

Please note the word "excluded." It's not INCLUDED. It's EXCLUDED.

Resume your normal posting

Yes, but that still implies that I cannot take a rollerboard into the plane.

Dec 28, 2009, 3:17 pm

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Yes, but that still implies that I cannot take a rollerboard into the plane.

That is correct. Such items are now (stupidly) prohibited. The ban is on, "...any carry-on baggage..." and the listed items are excluded from the ban. The ban is currently in place through tomorrow.

Dec 28, 2009, 3:21 pm

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Originally Posted by N965VJ

Transport Canada has officially gone stupid:

Travel from Canada: Transport Canada prohibits passengers from taking any carry-on bags through the screening checkpoint excluding the following items: small purses, cameras, coats, items needed for infants, laptop computers, diplomatic or consular bags, crutches, canes, walkers, containers carrying life sustaining items, medication or medical devices, musical instruments, or a special needs item. Passengers with non-exempt carry-on items will be denied access through the checkpoint.

I have used Air Canada in the past to go to the US (sometimes its cheaper to connect in Toronto). I do not typically take all my stuff as carry on, since I am rather small and can't lug much weight around. However, this list still excludes a large number of items I consider vital or too important to check for international air travel (typically more than 20 hours until the destination in my case):

Wallet with money and documents (unless it is in the purse??)
Documents for the trip (ESTA, vaccination certificates, hotel reservations, contacts, etc)
Pens
Keys
Glasses
PDA/cell phone/mp3 player or other electronics (I though battery powered stuff should not be checked!)
Food (why are airplane portions so small??)
Toothpaste + toothbrush
Deodorant
Earplugs
Sweater
Rubber-soled socks
Book

I have a reservation with them for early 2010. Thinking seriously of calling and informing that I will not fly if these restrictions are in place, demanding a full refund.

This is absurd.

Dec 28, 2009, 3:23 pm

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That is correct. Such items are now (stupidly) prohibited. The ban is on, "...any carry-on baggage..." and the listed items are excluded from the ban. The ban is currently in place through tomorrow.

Reminds me of a Condor flight FRA-OSL-TLS-FRA where luggage as such was also prohibited !

Dec 28, 2009, 3:28 pm

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Reminds me of a Condor flight FRA-OSL-TLS-FRA where luggage as such was also prohibited !

Yes, but on that flight we knew everyone already had a safe place to store bags!

Dec 28, 2009, 3:30 pm

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Originally Posted by Rambuster

Reminds me of a Condor flight FRA-OSL-TLS-FRA where luggage as such was also prohibited !

but it wasn't an absolute ban. Just if you were flying FRA-OSL were you subject to the ban. OSL-TLS-FRA was not subject to the ban

Dec 28, 2009, 3:30 pm

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DHS just set a record for fastest backpedal. This story was updated about 20 minutes ago with a TSA quote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/us...y.html?_r=1&hp

Dec 28, 2009, 3:31 pm

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Originally Posted by BubbaLoop

Agree that it's absurd. I also think that I (and probably you) could fit most, if not all, of your list into my laptop bag with my laptop - excluded from the prohibited list.

Dec 28, 2009, 3:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Diplomatico

Agree that it's absurd. I also think that I (and probably you) could fit most, if not all, of your list into my laptop bag with my laptop - excluded from the prohibited list.

That's exactly how I travel.

Dec 28, 2009, 3:44 pm

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Originally Posted by Diplomatico

Agree that it's absurd. I also think that I (and probably you) could fit most, if not all, of your list into my laptop bag with my laptop - excluded from the prohibited list.

It is not entirely clear to me that you can take a laptop BAG, just the laptop. My laptop is 17" and I use a backpack because most bags are too small. Guess I'm SOL for now. And no way would I put my keys in checked luggage. Won't be traveling ex-Canada any time soon.

Dec 28, 2009, 4:09 pm

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Originally Posted by goalie

and amost verbatim stupidity on the ua website.....

http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6867,53307,00.html

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Travel from Canada to the United States

Customers traveling from any Canadian destination to the United States should be advised that effective December 28, Transport Canada (a department of the Canadian government) put into place a ban on any carry-on baggage that customers would have access to during flight.

Items that are excluded from this restriction include small purses, cameras, coats, items for care of infants, laptop computers, diplomatic or consular bags, crutches, canes, walkers, containers carrying life-sustaining items, medications and medical devices, musical instruments and special-needs items. This directive is in effect until 9:00 p.m. EST on December 29, 2009, although it may be extended.

this nonsense has to stop!

Aren't clothes in a carry-on bag considered life-sustaining items? Given this is winter in Canada, I'd like to see how someone survives naked in the outdoors around YYZ at this time of the year.