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-   -   TSA gets raises, complains about confusing rules (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/practical-travel-safety-security-issues/1020159-tsa-gets-raises-complains-about-confusing-rules.html)

AngryMiller Nov 24, 2009 3:15 pm
TSA wants something to lift their spirits? Suggest using either an elevator or a forklift.

IslandBased Nov 24, 2009 3:20 pm
Originally Posted by AngryMiller (Post 12874882)
TSA wants something to lift their spirits? Suggest using either an elevator or a forklift.
An aerostat like Ron could give them a lift...

thebat Nov 24, 2009 3:23 pm
Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 12874856)
These pay raises actually just cover the yearly increase of the health insurance.
You guys pay for your heath insurance? Are you unionized?

SATTSO Nov 24, 2009 3:40 pm
Originally Posted by thebat (Post 12874932)
You guys pay for your heath insurance? Are you unionized?
Not unionized.

thebat Nov 24, 2009 4:10 pm
Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12875027)
Not unionized.
What about the Health insurance? The other TSA guy suggested you were stuck with paying for that. Maybe it is time for a union.

SATTSO Nov 24, 2009 4:22 pm
Originally Posted by thebat (Post 12875211)
What about the Health insurance? The other TSA guy suggested you were stuck with paying for that. Maybe it is time for a union.
I don't know. I actually have slightly better insurance and pay a bit less than when I worked in private industry. Ate their any industries where people don't pay anything for insurance?

RadioGirl Nov 24, 2009 4:30 pm
Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 12874856)
These pay raises actually just cover the yearly increase of the health insurance.
:confused: The article said:
According to the report, about 17 percent of employees fell into the top performance category in 2009, earning a 4 percent boost to their base salary and a $2,500 bonus. About 32 percent were in the next tier and will receive a 2 percent raise and a $1,500 bonus. Twenty-seven percent will receive a 1 percent raise and $1,000 bonus, and nearly 24 percent will receive only a $500 bonus. A small portion (0.02 percent) of employees will not receive any raise or bonus other than the cost-of-living increase, which everyone will get.
So is the yearly increase in health insurance covered by the cost-of-living increase that everybody (even those last 9 people) get, or the $500 bonus, or the 4% raise + $2500 bonus?

If the cost-of-living increase covers the health insurance rise, then 99.98% of the employees are still getting $500 or more above that. If it takes the c-o-l + $500 bonus to cover insurance, then 76 percent of the TSA are still getting at least $500 + at least a 1% raise.

thebat Nov 24, 2009 5:17 pm
some
 
Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12875266)
I don't know. I actually have slightly better insurance and pay a bit less than when I worked in private industry. Ate their any industries where people don't pay anything for insurance?
There are some yes. Particularly union employees. Some of them get free 'gold plated' plans.

Not me though.

SATTSO Nov 24, 2009 5:56 pm
Originally Posted by thebat (Post 12875503)
There are some yes. Particularly union employees. Some of them get free 'gold plated' plans.

Not me though.
No, we pay bi-weekly for our insurance. We are not unionized, but it looks like it's going to happen eventually. However, I really don't want to join the union.

polonius Nov 24, 2009 8:59 pm
Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 12871075)

Nevertheless, I find it amazing that only 0.02% of the TSA workforce was incompetent enough miss out on bonuses completely. Note that 0.02% of 45,000 is 9 people. Those are pretty low standards. We could probably count more than 9 people (by position/airport, if not by name) who have been called "bad apples" by Blogdad Bob this year alone.
I think I've encountered all 9 of them.

IslandBased Nov 24, 2009 9:11 pm
Originally Posted by polonius (Post 12876436)
I think I've encountered all 9 of them.
Are the odds of that happening any greater than actually finding a terrorist? :confused:

RadioGirl Nov 24, 2009 9:33 pm
Originally Posted by polonius (Post 12876436)
I think I've encountered all 9 of them.
Without the time to go look up the details of each story, I'm thinking (in no particular order):
  1. the TDC who got huffy when Phil wouldn't hand over an ID;
  2. the guy at STL who picked a fight with Steve Bierfeldt;
  3. the screener who was honest testifying in the Fofana case;
  4. the screener who was honest testifying in the McCarty case;
  5. Wanda Weems, who boarded the flight without going through screening;
  6. our favorite punchline: Alvin;
  7. the screener(s) at DFW who missed a loaded handgun and two hunting knives... in the same month;
  8. the TDC who thought 6'2", 200 lb, 14-year-old "Dakota" looked just like his mom "Virginia";
  9. the recent TSA person who skipped screening, causing a flight to have to return/be diverted.
  10. everyone involved at LAX who let BS through with her ice, thereby leading to the lamest PV explanation of all time and making TSA look even stooopider than anyone thought possible;
Depending on the number of the last group, that's something more than 9. At least, these are people who, if working for me, would not get a bonus this year.

I hope the ones caught stealing, drug-running, etc are no longer drawing any salary from TSA. But I'm not confident. :eek:

Superguy Nov 24, 2009 10:42 pm
Originally Posted by thebat (Post 12875211)
What about the Health insurance? The other TSA guy suggested you were stuck with paying for that. Maybe it is time for a union.
The vast majority of employees in the federal government pay a portion of their health insurance. TSA is no different than any other agency in that regard. My agency required a contribution if you wanted it.

Now with respect to unions, do you really want that? TSA's already laregely unaccountable as it is. Do you really want another layer of unaccountability added to that?

And if TSA gets free health insurance from unionization, why shouldn't everyone else who works for the G?

tsadude1 Nov 25, 2009 1:25 am
Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 12875309)
:confused: The article said:

So is the yearly increase in health insurance covered by the cost-of-living increase that everybody (even those last 9 people) get, or the $500 bonus, or the 4% raise + $2500 bonus?
That would be great if you leave out the dental, which is seperate.

stupidhead Nov 25, 2009 2:52 am
Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12870925)
I have read the GAO reports and put very little faith in those red team or asi testing.

Edit: oddly enough, to better catch and pass such "test", TSO would have to do what Trollkiller calls "illegal searches".
Oddly enough, the kids in my high school who got below a 1750 on the SAT said the same thing too. And the kids at my university who got less than a 160 on the LSAT seem to be saying the same thing about that test.


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