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WR Cage Nov 7, 2009 4:46 pm

MMW Comming to Canada
 
CATSA (colder, Hockey loving version of the TSA) has just filed a Privacy Impact Assessment for Millimeter Wave technology with the Federal Government.

Look here for the PIA: http://www.catsa.gc.ca/english/about...%20summary.pdf

Can Troll Killer make long sleeve version of the t-shirt????

Trollkiller Nov 7, 2009 7:11 pm


Originally Posted by YEG Guy (Post 12785335)
CATSA (colder, Hockey loving version of the TSA) has just filed a Privacy Impact Assessment for Millimeter Wave technology with the Federal Government.

Look here for the PIA: http://www.catsa.gc.ca/english/about...%20summary.pdf

Can Troll Killer make long sleeve version of the t-shirt????

You betcha! Would you like me to make one that replaces TSA with CATSA? (Note font and layout may be different)

N830MH Nov 7, 2009 7:13 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 12785807)
You betcha! Would you like me to make one that replaces TSA with CATSA? (Note font and layout may be different)

No, not needing to be replacement CATSA. It will eventually to kept same federalized government from Canada.

SATTSO Nov 7, 2009 8:46 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 12785807)
You betcha! Would you like me to make one that replaces TSA with CATSA? (Note font and layout may be different)

Kind of curious, do you think the images these machines are.... not decent?

Superguy Nov 7, 2009 8:54 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12786052)
Kind of curious, do you think the images these machines are.... not decent?

If you can see my ball sack and tell if I'm circumcised or not, it's not decent. :td:

Boggie Dog Nov 7, 2009 9:05 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12786052)
Kind of curious, do you think the images these machines are.... not decent?

The WBI images are not decent.

Imaging children/teens with WBI should subject the machine operators to child porn charges.

If it happens and I get selected for jury duty I suggest packing your bags.

Boggie Dog Nov 7, 2009 9:12 pm

If I read the PIA correctly the WBI will only be used for secondary screening.

In my mind that would be a more tolerable use but only on adults.

DRZ Nov 7, 2009 9:20 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12786052)
Kind of curious, do you think the images these machines are.... not decent?

The patent answer seems to be: Put your wife and children into the machine and make the images public.

No takers from the decision makers yet, huh?

SATTSO Nov 7, 2009 9:33 pm


Originally Posted by DRZ (Post 12786142)
The patent answer seems to be: Put your wife and children into the machine and make the images public.

No takers from the decision makers yet, huh?

So if it's not decent, as people here suggest, how is wearing one of the images on a shirt ok?

DRZ Nov 7, 2009 9:40 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12786172)
So if it's not decent, as people here suggest, how is wearing one of the images on a shirt ok?

Put your wife and children into the machine and make the images public.

::loooong pause:: I didn't think so.

SATTSO Nov 7, 2009 9:44 pm


Originally Posted by DRZ (Post 12786191)
Put your wife and children into the machine and make the images public.

::loooong pause:: I didn't think so.

So if these images are not decent, if they are so bad that TSA should stop using these machines, how is it ok to walk around with one of these images on a shirt in public? I don't understand that.... If it's bad in one situation, why not the other? Note, I am not making an argument to use the whole body imagers.

Trollkiller Nov 7, 2009 9:49 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12786052)
Kind of curious, do you think the images these machines are.... not decent?

One of our inarguable basic rights is the right to privacy. By the TSA using the MMW as a primary screening procedure or using the MMW as a secondary screening procedure while hiding from the average passenger the actual nature of the machine violates common decency and the basic right of privacy.

A reasonable person expects their privates to remain private. Unlike a metal detector, puffer, swab or even the SPO-7, the MMW does not detect anything. Just like a regular strip search it is up to the TSO to look at your naked body and determined if you are carrying anything that may possibly be contraband.

To answer your question, using the machines as the are being used currently is indecent. I don't feel the images are pornographic, but my level of "porn" may not be another's. People from different backgrounds and cultures have different standards.

I used to work a store that sold jewelry, the girl that worked at the Chinese restaurant was kind enough to bring my lunch before it got cold. She admired an anklet but was not sure it would fit. I suggested she try it on and she blushed and informed me she could never do that. I did not understand but allowed her to take it back to the restaurant to try on.

Later I asked her brother what the deal was. He told me that where they were from, showing the ankle was akin to flashing a breast. Decent women just do not do that.

Trollkiller Nov 7, 2009 9:54 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12786172)
So if it's not decent, as people here suggest, how is wearing one of the images on a shirt ok?

Protected political speech. You guys can't have all our rights at once, don't you know.

SATTSO Nov 7, 2009 9:54 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 12786226)
One of our inarguable basic rights is the right to privacy. By the TSA using the MMW as a primary screening procedure or using the MMW as a secondary screening procedure while hiding from the average passenger the actual nature of the machine violates common decency and the basic right of privacy.

A reasonable person expects their privates to remain private. Unlike a metal detector, puffer, swab or even the SPO-7, the MMW does not detect anything. Just like a regular strip search it is up to the TSO to look at your naked body and determined if you are carrying anything that may possibly be contraband.

To answer your question, using the machines as the are being used currently is indecent. I don't feel the images are pornographic, but my level of "porn" may not be another's. People from different backgrounds and cultures have different standards.

I used to work a store that sold jewelry, the girl that worked at the Chinese restaurant was kind enough to bring my lunch before it got cold. She admired an anklet but was not sure it would fit. I suggested she try it on and she blushed and informed me she could never do that. I did not understand but allowed her to take it back to the restaurant to try on.

Later I asked her brother what the deal was. He told me that where they were from, showing the ankle was akin to flashing a breast. Decent women just do not do that.

Ok I understand what you said, even if I may not agree with all of, but it doesn't really answer the question I asked. If the image TSA post is not decent (and I assume that is the image you use on the shirt) how is it decent to have it on a shirt?

SATTSO Nov 7, 2009 10:00 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 12786242)
Protected political speech. You guys can't have all our rights at once, don't you know.

I wasn't talking about free speech nor suggesting it, though I can see how you come to that conclusion. I personally do not associate decent with the right to say or not say something.


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