How about the negotiations about an entry into an alliance?
Aug 14, 2007, 4:08 am
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Yes, I have this as a fact.
From the cleaning lady in the executive offices, I guess
Thats what is said above.
No it's not..read what you wrote
So, what is in your opinion the reason for TAMs bad safety record? Bad luck?
No, you brought that statement up and I just commented on it
Here is a link with an actual rating (sorry, german only, you have the airlines, haul-losses, fatalities and ratings over the last 30 years).
Yes and as you can see this is not a safety and maintenance rating, so it's somewhat beside the point
, but still usable in the yellow press if you like
But, as this is not the TAM forum, this forum for sure is not the right place for this discussion.
Why not, there is so little going on in this forum due to Varig's current size and lack of program partners
Yes, I have this as a fact.
From the cleaning lady in the executive offices, I guess
Thats what is said above.
No it's not..read what you wrote
So, what is in your opinion the reason for TAMs bad safety record? Bad luck?
No, you brought that statement up and I just commented on it
Here is a link with an actual rating (sorry, german only, you have the airlines, haul-losses, fatalities and ratings over the last 30 years).
Yes and as you can see this is not a safety and maintenance rating, so it's somewhat beside the point
, but still usable in the yellow press if you likeBut, as this is not the TAM forum, this forum for sure is not the right place for this discussion.
Why not, there is so little going on in this forum due to Varig's current size and lack of program partners
Aug 14, 2007, 7:02 am
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So wurde gewertet. Oberster Indikator beim Sicherheitsindex ist der Optimalwert 0,0. Diese Zahl drückt für jede Airline aus, ob es in den letzten 36Jahren Abstürze oder Flugzeugverluste im Passagierbetrieb gab. 30 unfallfreie Jahre sind das Minimum. Positiv berücksichtigt wurden auch unfallfreie Zeitperioden sowie die Gesamtzahl der geflogenen Passagierkilometer. Die Datengrundlage dieser Liste bezieht sich ausschließlich auf die Vergangenheit einer Airline. Wichtig ist zu wissen, dass der Sicherheitsindex nichts über mögliche Unfallursachen aussagt, sondern einzig und allein eine statistische Größe widerspiegelt".
Aug 14, 2007, 11:18 am
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14 September 1993 - Lufthansa Flight 2904, in Warsaw an Airbus A320-211 coming from Frankfurt am Main with 70 people crashed into an earth wall at the end of the runway. A fire started in the left wing area and penetrated into the passenger cabin. The copilot and a passenger died. .
http://sunnyday.mit.edu/safety-club/warsaw-report.html
Aug 14, 2007, 11:08 pm
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As in most accidents, in this accident also, human failure, even by the pilots, was involved.
But no problem: The accident was analysed, the causes were recognized and with technical improvements and improvment in training was ensured, that similiar accidents will hopefully not happen again.
This makes the difference between airlines with a good safety culture, and airlines with an impressing number of haul loss in the last ten or eleven years and innumberable incidents.
And even, in the inprobably case, that the bad safety record of TAM is only based on bad luck, I surely also in futere will consider well, wether or not I will fly with them, if there are other options.
But no problem: The accident was analysed, the causes were recognized and with technical improvements and improvment in training was ensured, that similiar accidents will hopefully not happen again.
This makes the difference between airlines with a good safety culture, and airlines with an impressing number of haul loss in the last ten or eleven years and innumberable incidents.
And even, in the inprobably case, that the bad safety record of TAM is only based on bad luck, I surely also in futere will consider well, wether or not I will fly with them, if there are other options.