EgyptAir MS 804 on 5/19/16, Paris to Cairo, Missing

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An EgyptAir Airbus A320, registration SU-GCC from Paris Charles de Gaulle (flight MS804 departing 18 May) to Cairo with 56 passengers, 2 flight crew, 5 cabin crew and 3 security personnel, lost contact over the Mediterranan Sea about 280km (151nm) from the Coast of Egypt at 02:30 local time (00:30 UTC) on 19 May 2016. Greece's Civil Aviation Authority reported radar contact with the aircraft was lost about 2 minutes after the aircraft was handed off from Greek to Egyptian Air Traffic Control.

At 12:30 CEST (10:30 UTC) 19 May 2016 France's President Hollande announced that the aircraft has crashed while flying over the Mediterranean Sea in Egyptian Airspace.

At 19:00 local time (17:00 UTC) 19 May 2016 EgyptAir posted on their Facebook page that wreckage of the missing aircraft was found near Karpathos Island. This was later denied by the head of the Greek air safety authority. EgyptAir's VP subsequently retracted the statement that debris of the aircraft had been found and said they were mistaken.

On the morning of 20 May 2016 The Egyptian Armed Forces informed EgyptAir that they have found first debris from the missing aircraft operating flight MS804 around 295 KM from the Egyptian coastline.
On 20 May 2016 The Aviation Herald published ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) messages which suggested there was smoke in a lavatory followed by smoke in the avionics bay.

On 22 May 2016 Egypt's President confirmed that the Petroleum Ministry has provided a submarine that could reach 3,000 meters under water in an attempt to retrieve the two black boxes.

On 23 May 2016 the French BEA and Egypt's Civil Aviation Authority, in response to media reports of an emergency call on Egypt's frequency, stated that no such communication has been received on any frequency.

On 1st Jun 2016 Egypt's Civil Aviation Authority reported that the French vessel "Laplace" has located pings presumed to originate from one of two black boxes. The French BEA confirmed that Egyptian Authorities have confirmed a "signal that may come from one of the recorders" of flight MS-804.

On 16 Jun 2016 the vessel "John Lethbridge" managed to retrieve the cockpit voice recorder in several stages as the CVR had been damaged.

On 17 June 2016 the vessel "John Lethbridge" managed to recover the memory module of the second black box, the flight data recorder.


List of nationalities of passengers on Board:

30 Egyptian
15 French
2 Iraqi
1 British (dual nationality with Australia as confirmed by AU government)
1 Belgian
1 Kuwaiti
1 Saudi
1 Sudanese
1 Chadian
1 Portuguese
1 Algerian
1 Canadian

+ 10 crew of unknown nationality.

Useful, reliable links:
Aviation Herald (Avherald) article on MS804
BBC article on MS804


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Old May 19, 16, 12:50 pm
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Originally Posted by The_Bouncer View Post
Would it not be unusual for them to speak to ATC in any language other than English?
I would assume so, but there could be exceptions for domestic flights in some areas. For example, would a general aviation pilot in the center of France be forced to speak English? I don't know.
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Old May 19, 16, 12:53 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist View Post
I would assume so, but there could be exceptions for domestic flights in some areas. For example, would a general aviation pilot in the center of France be forced to speak English? I don't know.
I believe it varies from country to country. If I'm not mistaken, Chinese pilots in China speak Chinese to ATC. On the other hand, I believe Japanese pilots in Japan speak English to ATC. Could be very wrong on that though LOL.
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Originally Posted by The_Bouncer View Post
Would it not be unusual for them to speak to ATC in any language other than English?
Not necessarily.

Chinese pilots apparently often speak whichever flavor of local language when flying in domestic space rather than English.

And I've heard recordings of German pilots speaking German when communicating (presumably) with German ATC.
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist View Post
I would assume so, but there could be exceptions for domestic flights in some areas. For example, would a general aviation pilot in the center of France be forced to speak English? I don't know.
I think France and China are the exceptions, but only when flying domestically. Scandinavian and Dutch pilots certainly speak to their own ATC in English, as it is considered easier to stay with one language than constantly switch between two (as a speaker of several languages, I can confirm that it is).
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist View Post
He spoke to them in Greek, which suggests that he was probably of Greek nationality, as I suspect that few people without ties to Greece are fluent in modern Greek.
From what I understood he thanked them and said goodbye in Greek, but that's does not meet he speaks the language. I can say hello and thank you many languages I don't speak.
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Old May 19, 16, 1:20 pm
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Originally Posted by The_Bouncer View Post
I think France and China are the exceptions, but only when flying domestically. Scandinavian and Dutch pilots certainly speak to their own ATC in English, as it is considered easier to stay with one language than constantly switch between two (as a speaker of several languages, I can confirm that it is).
That's why I said some areas. In France, there's a clear tradition of preferring to speak French and of "defending" their language. Other exceptions might be large areas where people would be somewhat less comfortable with English, so certainly not Scandinavia or the Netherlands. I could imagine Russian pilots speaking to their ATC in Russian in addition to the example of China (where I would think that Mandarin, Cantonese, and various local variants/dialects would be very confusing).
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EgyptAir in from Athens and EgyptAir out to LHR. I think I'm less concerned about once in the country - I expect some harassment in general but not expecting anything violent. Probably more concerned about ground safety during the Istanbul portion of my trip.
I was there just a few weeks back and experienced considerably less hassle than I anticipated. I did hire a guy to drive around for the day as I only had limited time and didn't want to spend it haggling over taxi fares. Cairo felt very safe and I wouldn't worry at all. Same goes for the airport. And for Istanbul for that matter
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Originally Posted by boosh View Post
I was there just a few weeks back and experienced considerably less hassle than I anticipated. I did hire a guy to drive around for the day as I only had limited time and didn't want to spend it haggling over taxi fares. Cairo felt very safe and I wouldn't worry at all. Same goes for the airport. And for Istanbul for that matter
I agree Istanbul is on a National Holiday and very chilled out and relaxed (apart from the drivers obviously). Have not been to Cairo for a while, great food and lovely people who. So sad that this happened, even more so if it is found that this was deliberate.
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Latest is that the debris found isn't from the missing aircraft, so we are back to square one
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Earlier, EgyptAir said the debris was confirmed to be from flight MS804.

But now, the head of the Greek air safety authority, Athanassios Binos, has told state ERT TV that the wreckage "does not come from a plane".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-africa-36328976
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Originally Posted by boosh View Post
From what I understood he thanked them and said goodbye in Greek, but that's does not meet he speaks the language. I can say hello and thank you many languages I don't speak.
I would not be shocked that pilots who regularly fly through another country's airspace know a few greetings of local flavor. I would never surmise someone's fluency or nationality based on that.
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Sincere condolences to your colleague. A dreadful business indeed, which I'm sure deeply saddens all of the flying community. My though are with the families and friends of our fellow travellers.
May I please echo those sentiments.
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Originally Posted by alanR View Post
Latest is that the debris found isn't from the missing aircraft, so we are back to square one
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Condolences thoughts and prayers with all. I wish the despicable American media would stop shouting Terrorism without facts - and respect those lost in this tragedy.
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Old May 19, 16, 3:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Madone59 View Post
Condolences thoughts and prayers with all. I wish the despicable American media would stop shouting Terrorism without facts - and respect those lost in this tragedy.
Well, it doesn't help when the Egyptians are also strongly speculating that it's terrorism.

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