May 19, 2016, 12:11 am
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An EgyptAir Airbus A320, registration SU-GCC from Paris Charles de Gaulle (flight MS804 departing 18 May) to Cairo with 56 passengers, 2 flight crew, 5 cabin crew and 3 security personnel, lost contact over the Mediterranan Sea about 280km (151nm) from the Coast of Egypt at 02:30 local time (00:30 UTC) on 19 May 2016. Greece's Civil Aviation Authority reported radar contact with the aircraft was lost about 2 minutes after the aircraft was handed off from Greek to Egyptian Air Traffic Control.
At 12:30 CEST (10:30 UTC) 19 May 2016 France's President Hollande announced that the aircraft has crashed while flying over the Mediterranean Sea in Egyptian Airspace.
At 19:00 local time (17:00 UTC) 19 May 2016 EgyptAir posted on their Facebook page that wreckage of the missing aircraft was found near Karpathos Island. This was later denied by the head of the Greek air safety authority. EgyptAir's VP subsequently retracted the statement that debris of the aircraft had been found and said they were mistaken.
On the morning of 20 May 2016 The Egyptian Armed Forces informed EgyptAir that they have found first debris from the missing aircraft operating flight MS804 around 295 KM from the Egyptian coastline.
On 20 May 2016 The Aviation Herald published ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) messages which suggested there was smoke in a lavatory followed by smoke in the avionics bay.
On 22 May 2016 Egypt's President confirmed that the Petroleum Ministry has provided a submarine that could reach 3,000 meters under water in an attempt to retrieve the two black boxes.
On 23 May 2016 the French BEA and Egypt's Civil Aviation Authority, in response to media reports of an emergency call on Egypt's frequency, stated that no such communication has been received on any frequency.
On 1st Jun 2016 Egypt's Civil Aviation Authority reported that the French vessel "Laplace" has located pings presumed to originate from one of two black boxes. The French BEA confirmed that Egyptian Authorities have confirmed a "signal that may come from one of the recorders" of flight MS-804.
On 16 Jun 2016 the vessel "John Lethbridge" managed to retrieve the cockpit voice recorder in several stages as the CVR had been damaged.
On 17 June 2016 the vessel "John Lethbridge" managed to recover the memory module of the second black box, the flight data recorder.
List of nationalities of passengers on Board:
30 Egyptian
15 French
2 Iraqi
1 British (dual nationality with Australia as confirmed by AU government)
1 Belgian
1 Kuwaiti
1 Saudi
1 Sudanese
1 Chadian
1 Portuguese
1 Algerian
1 Canadian
+ 10 crew of unknown nationality.
Useful, reliable links:
Aviation Herald (Avherald) article on MS804
BBC article on MS804
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EgyptAir MS 804 on 5/19/16, Paris to Cairo, Missing
May 21, 2016, 1:44 am
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May 21, 2016, 4:27 am
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Pictures of recovered wreckage clearly pointing to an Egyptair bird:
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...ml#post9383632
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...ml#post9383632
May 21, 2016, 4:38 am
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It won't be the first time that's brought down a plane though. I am aware of other examples of this but am not sure which or where. One in Brazil a number of years back perhaps?
May 21, 2016, 6:37 am
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This is either an accelerated fire/explosion or the smoke detector reading is spurious perhaps generated by system failure.
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May 21, 2016, 7:24 am
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I'm surprised lithium ion battery fire hasn't been mentioned anywhere (at least on here that I see).
That would be consistent with an accelerated fire and given the event a few weeks back on the Alaska Airlines flight where an iPhone randomly burst into flames it's not an implausible scenario.
For all the effort focused on lithium ion batteries in the cargo hold the number of lithium ion batteries carried by passengers in their electronics is overlooked.
Quote from AS incident:
It's easy to see how that could get out of hand quickly if the flames jumped to something else before FAs could put it out.
That would be consistent with an accelerated fire and given the event a few weeks back on the Alaska Airlines flight where an iPhone randomly burst into flames it's not an implausible scenario.
For all the effort focused on lithium ion batteries in the cargo hold the number of lithium ion batteries carried by passengers in their electronics is overlooked.
Quote from AS incident:
"All of the sudden there was like 8-inch flames coming out of my phone," Crail told KOMO-TV. "And I flipped it off onto the ground and it got under someone's seat, and the flames were just getting higher and a bunch of people stood up."
The Alaska Air spokesman told ABC News, "The fire was quickly extinguished by our flight attendants, who are trained for situations like these."
The Alaska Air spokesman told ABC News, "The fire was quickly extinguished by our flight attendants, who are trained for situations like these."
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May 21, 2016, 7:28 am
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Images of recovered debris and video on Egyptian Armed Forces' website.
http://www.mod.gov.eg/mod/AlbDetails.aspx?id=14721
http://www.mod.gov.eg/mod/AlbDetails.aspx?id=14721
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May 21, 2016, 8:08 am
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I'm surprised lithium ion battery fire hasn't been mentioned anywhere (at least on here that I see).
That would be consistent with an accelerated fire and given the event a few weeks back on the Alaska Airlines flight where an iPhone randomly burst into flames it's not an implausible scenario.
For all the effort focused on lithium ion batteries in the cargo hold the number of lithium ion batteries carried by passengers in their electronics is overlooked.
Quote from AS incident:
It's easy to see how that could get out of hand quickly if the flames jumped to something else before FAs could put it out.
That would be consistent with an accelerated fire and given the event a few weeks back on the Alaska Airlines flight where an iPhone randomly burst into flames it's not an implausible scenario.
For all the effort focused on lithium ion batteries in the cargo hold the number of lithium ion batteries carried by passengers in their electronics is overlooked.
Quote from AS incident:
It's easy to see how that could get out of hand quickly if the flames jumped to something else before FAs could put it out.
Having lost a cousin due to an onboard fire in a small airplane (he was the pilot, his last radio transmission was smoke in the cockpit before it crashed), the idea is quite scary.
May 21, 2016, 10:02 am
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Also on the BBC live site (which has ceased for tonight) along with an interesting interview with a BA pilot.
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-africa-36328976
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-africa-36328976
May 21, 2016, 11:36 am
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May 21, 2016, 12:35 pm
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Many people carry very high capacity Li-ion batteries now too, especially on longer flights. Some of the largest ones are equivalent to 10-20x larger than a phone battery. Though laptops still tend to have the largest batteries (though not always true), an off-brand powerbank is much more likely to fail catastrophically. I also read somewhere that there is oxygen lines, or something like that, that run near the lavoratory. If you have ever messed with pure oxygen, it can make things that are rather docile turn into raging infernos FAST! You can melt through a 0.5cm 1/4" thick piece of steel using a cigarette dipped in liquid oxygen. Liquid oxygen is a very dangerous side hazard of my job and not one you take lightly.
Having lost a cousin due to an onboard fire in a small airplane (he was the pilot, his last radio transmission was smoke in the cockpit before it crashed), the idea is quite scary.
Having lost a cousin due to an onboard fire in a small airplane (he was the pilot, his last radio transmission was smoke in the cockpit before it crashed), the idea is quite scary.
If I'm being honest, the idea of people having cheap powerbanks on planes is probably the scariest aspect of flying (for me)
May 21, 2016, 1:50 pm
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Images of recovered debris and video on Egyptian Armed Forces' website.
http://www.mod.gov.eg/mod/AlbDetails.aspx?id=14721
http://www.mod.gov.eg/mod/AlbDetails.aspx?id=14721
May 21, 2016, 5:27 pm
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Couple of snippets:
One estimate says that an airliner carrying 100 people could have 500 lithium batteries in the cabin, in cameras, laptops, tablet computers, phones, e-readers, etc.
He says crushed batteries are increasingly problematic. "Maybe someone falls asleep. Their tablet computer or phone slips down the side of the chair. They move the seat and accidentally crush the battery."
Potentially, that could start a fire.
Potentially, that could start a fire.
...there are the "grey market" batteries and chargers some people buy on the cheap. They may well not have been safety tested at all
May 22, 2016, 11:00 am
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Yahoo just posted the black boxes have been "located" (originally wrote recovered, sorry folks).
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/521-bl...h-for-closure/
Screen grab of headline.
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/521-bl...h-for-closure/
Screen grab of headline.
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May 22, 2016, 11:47 am
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Thank you for posting. The CBS News item was posted at May 21, 2016, 6:30PM (EDT?) which is some 19 hours ago. I am surprised no other news source has picked this up if it were true.
The Daily Mail in the UK also posted yesterday the following headline "Experts say flight data 'points towards a bomb' as first pictures emerge of MS804's wreckage and search teams 'discover black box'". This report has not been followed up either.
By all accounts a search is still continuing for the black boxes.
Egypt sends robot submarine to help plane crash search (Reuters)
The Daily Mail in the UK also posted yesterday the following headline "Experts say flight data 'points towards a bomb' as first pictures emerge of MS804's wreckage and search teams 'discover black box'". This report has not been followed up either.
By all accounts a search is still continuing for the black boxes.
Egypt sends robot submarine to help plane crash search (Reuters)