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Ukraine Int’l 737-800 (PS752 IKA-KBP) crashes on takeoff from Tehran, 8 January 2020
Jan 9, 2020, 4:55 pm
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Iranian cover-up time is over:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/v...e-missile.html
Video verified.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/v...e-missile.html
Video verified.
Jan 9, 2020, 6:15 pm
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About that NYT-reviewed/linked video, is that an outdoor grill at the last second of It (down toward the right-hand corner) or is that some kind of liquid/gas-holding tank unrelated to grilling food? That could provide quite the clue about who took the video and why the filming was going on that captured this. There is enough in the video that the Iranians should be able to figure out where and when it was filmed and then go from there to try to identify the recording party.
It all sort of looks like it was filmed by someone at a guard post there who has a nearby (lighted) rest/sleeping quarters with some basic utilities but who may have no inside cooking arrangement in the guard post structure. Reminds me of how various Asian governments and other resourceful parties in those areas even quarter guards.
x trails leading to a specific investigative conclusion are better than just x-1 trails leading to a specific investigative conclusion. Investigative efforts that may appear in parts to be redundant in arriving at a conclusion can still be useful.
It all sort of looks like it was filmed by someone at a guard post there who has a nearby (lighted) rest/sleeping quarters with some basic utilities but who may have no inside cooking arrangement in the guard post structure. Reminds me of how various Asian governments and other resourceful parties in those areas even quarter guards.
x trails leading to a specific investigative conclusion are better than just x-1 trails leading to a specific investigative conclusion. Investigative efforts that may appear in parts to be redundant in arriving at a conclusion can still be useful.
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Jan 9, 2020, 6:45 pm
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Jan 9, 2020, 6:47 pm
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Video and geolocation of where it was filmed from: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena...ranian-suburb/
Apparently the cameraman heard the first missile and started filming.
Apparently the cameraman heard the first missile and started filming.
Jan 9, 2020, 7:00 pm
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I would think that the person who took the ground photos at the crash scene showing the missile head and the holes in the fuselage could be in more trouble with the government, especially since the decision was made to bulldoze the debris field so quickly. However, it might be harder to find that person, unless someone took a photo or video of the pictures being taken.
Jan 9, 2020, 7:52 pm
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Two were fired. At least one hit the plane.
These seems to be uncontested facts at this point.
1. There were photos of some fuselage and debris at crash site with what appeared to be puncher holes from external projectiles.
2. There was a photo of the head of a missile at the crash site that appeared on Twitter and news media have confirmed the geolocation of that photo.
3. There is now a video of the missile striking the airplane and news media have confirmed the geolocation of that video.
4. Media report says US intelligence agency satellite detected heat signatures of two SAM launches and one impact.
Even absence intelligence report, the evidence is enough for people to draw reasonable conclusions.
These seems to be uncontested facts at this point.
1. There were photos of some fuselage and debris at crash site with what appeared to be puncher holes from external projectiles.
2. There was a photo of the head of a missile at the crash site that appeared on Twitter and news media have confirmed the geolocation of that photo.
3. There is now a video of the missile striking the airplane and news media have confirmed the geolocation of that video.
4. Media report says US intelligence agency satellite detected heat signatures of two SAM launches and one impact.
Even absence intelligence report, the evidence is enough for people to draw reasonable conclusions.
Jan 9, 2020, 8:10 pm
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Though the Americans refused to apologize for it so I doubt the Iranians will apologize for this since they never got an apology for that incident, and pride is just too powerful of a force, sadly.
Jan 9, 2020, 8:37 pm
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Nothing formal, but President Reagan personally apologized in a message to Iran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
The US paid out $131.8M in settlements to the Iranians...cold comfort for the lost lives, of course.
Back to this incident, one wonders why Iran didn't keep the airport closed for some time after their missiles attack on the bases in Iraq. This occurred just a few hours afterwards. In addition to the heightened alert posture of its own forces, Iran likely wouldn't yet have known for sure if any reaction from the US would be forthcoming, for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
The U.S. government issued notes of regret for the loss of human lives, but never formally apologized or acknowledged wrongdoing. Informally, on July 5 of 1988 President Ronald Reagan expressed regret; when directly asked if this statement was intended as an apology to Iran, Reagan replied "Yes."
Back to this incident, one wonders why Iran didn't keep the airport closed for some time after their missiles attack on the bases in Iraq. This occurred just a few hours afterwards. In addition to the heightened alert posture of its own forces, Iran likely wouldn't yet have known for sure if any reaction from the US would be forthcoming, for example.
Jan 10, 2020, 3:11 am
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About that NYT-reviewed/linked video, is that an outdoor grill at the last second of It (down toward the right-hand corner) or is that some kind of liquid/gas-holding tank unrelated to grilling food? That could provide quite the clue about who took the video and why the filming was going on that captured this.
Somebody has also done a very thorough analysis of the co-ordinates and how long after the 'flash' the explosion can be heard. This puts the person about 3.5km away, which fits perfectly with where the plane was according to FR24.
I'd say this is authentic.
Jan 10, 2020, 5:04 am
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It would behoove them to apologize given they've been the victim of something similar at the hands of the US in 1988 and the Iranians even made a commemorative stamp out of it.
Though the Americans refused to apologize for it so I doubt the Iranians will apologize for this since they never got an apology for that incident, and pride is just too powerful of a force, sadly.
Though the Americans refused to apologize for it so I doubt the Iranians will apologize for this since they never got an apology for that incident, and pride is just too powerful of a force, sadly.
Jan 10, 2020, 5:44 am
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Initially the US Admin at the time claimed the Iranian plane was coming in for an attack and even had some saying it was heading down toward the ship. That ended up not being true.
Jan 10, 2020, 5:52 am
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Jan 10, 2020, 5:53 am
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They clained that they saw an F14, and that the pattern of approach was equal to an attack. Though the did not dispute that missiles had been launched and hit an aircraft in the location that flight 655 went down.
Jan 10, 2020, 5:57 am
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Contrary to the accounts of various Vincennes crew members, the cruiser's Aegis Combat System recorded that the airliner was climbing at the time and its radio transmitter was squawking on only the Mode III civilian frequency, and not on the military Mode II.[24]
Flight 655 was first detected by the Vincennes immediately after takeoff when it received a short IFF Mode II, possible leading the crew of the Vincennes to believe that the airliner was an Iranian F-14 Tomcat (capable of carrying unguided bombs since 1985[25]) diving into an attack profile. Since the USS Stark incident, all aircraft in the area had to maintain radio contact on - the International Air Defence (IAD) radio frequency. A total of 10 attempts were made to warn the airliner, seven on the Military Air distress (MAD) frequency, and three on the IAD frequency. There were no responses.[14]
At 10:24:22, after receiving no response to multiple radio challenges, Vincennes fired two SM-2MR surface-to-air missiles, one of which hit the airliner at 10:24:43.[26] The plane disintegrated immediately and crashed into the water soon after. None of the 290 passengers and crew on board survived.[26] The cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder were never found.[27]
This is what happened.