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Ukraine Int’l 737-800 (PS752 IKA-KBP) crashes on takeoff from Tehran, 8 January 2020
Jan 9, 2020, 1:29 pm
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"Possibly" is me leaving some room for error because I wasn't able to hear the whole thing continuously. But yeah it looks unequivocal now that I see the news reports. I didn't want to say Trudeau confirmed it whenever I wasn't 100% sure.
Jan 9, 2020, 1:31 pm
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First off, I am 100% in no way some aviation accident expert etc. However, I have watched dozens of Air Crash Invstigations as well as had classes in school talking about Aviation, Human Factors etc.
This is 100% without question an a/c shot down. Nothing supports it going down like that. Engine failure or an engine fire by itself would not cause the aircraft to do that. Engine fires happen fairly often (in relation to air incidents) and this basically never happens. The odds of that are insanely close to zero. Factor in the missles earlier etc..... the odds have to be like 1/999,999,999,999,999,999 that this was a coincidence.
This is 100% without question an a/c shot down. Nothing supports it going down like that. Engine failure or an engine fire by itself would not cause the aircraft to do that. Engine fires happen fairly often (in relation to air incidents) and this basically never happens. The odds of that are insanely close to zero. Factor in the missles earlier etc..... the odds have to be like 1/999,999,999,999,999,999 that this was a coincidence.
Jan 9, 2020, 1:47 pm
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They should really be testing the remnants of the plane for explosives residue of some sort, because the presence of some sorts of explosive residue would pretty much nail down it being a missile hit or two.
Even the Iranian government would serve itself and everyone else better to share quickly what really happened and make this a “teaching”and “lessons learned” moment for a whole bunch of reasons not limited to just players in Iran and elsewhere in SW Asia.
Even the Iranian government would serve itself and everyone else better to share quickly what really happened and make this a “teaching”and “lessons learned” moment for a whole bunch of reasons not limited to just players in Iran and elsewhere in SW Asia.
Jan 9, 2020, 1:56 pm
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They should really be testing the remnants of the plane for explosives residue of some sort, because the presence of some sorts of explosive residue would pretty much nail down it being a missile hit or two.
Even the Iranian government would serve itself and everyone else better to share quickly what really happened and make this a “teaching”and “lessons learned” moment for a whole bunch of reasons not limited to just players in Iran and elsewhere in SW Asia.
Even the Iranian government would serve itself and everyone else better to share quickly what really happened and make this a “teaching”and “lessons learned” moment for a whole bunch of reasons not limited to just players in Iran and elsewhere in SW Asia.
Jan 9, 2020, 2:08 pm
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I think you're mixing the flight numbers: PS751 KBP-IKA was scheduled to depart 20:00 EET (= UTC+0200) and arriving at 1:05 +0330 (+1). The return flight, PS752 then had the scheduled departure time 05:15 +0330, although the actual departure time that day was about hour later and was destroyed only few minutes later.
Jan 9, 2020, 2:11 pm
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I watched the whole press conference... he still used the world "preliminary" but did state that there is enough evidence and confidence for him to convey to the Canadian public that it indeed was due to an Iranian missile.
Jan 9, 2020, 2:12 pm
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NYT has obtained what it says is video of the plane getting hit by a missile. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/v...e-missile.html
Jan 9, 2020, 2:29 pm
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Iranian cover-up time is over:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/v...e-missile.html
Video verified.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/v...e-missile.html
Video verified.
Jan 9, 2020, 3:13 pm
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Iranian cover-up time is over:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/v...e-missile.html
Video verified.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/v...e-missile.html
Video verified.
Jan 9, 2020, 3:36 pm
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Iranian cover-up time is over:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/v...e-missile.html
Video verified.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/v...e-missile.html
Video verified.
Jan 9, 2020, 4:01 pm
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Some pretty impressive work, again, by Bellingcat (see full thread):
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/st...967174656?s=20
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/st...967174656?s=20
two missiles?
Jan 9, 2020, 4:37 pm
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Two were fired. At least one hit the plane.
These seems to be uncontested facts at this point.
1. There were photos of some fuselage and debris at crash site with what appeared to be puncher holes from external projectiles.
2. There was a photo of the head of a missile at the crash site that appeared on Twitter and news media have confirmed the geolocation of that photo.
3. There is now a video of the missile striking the airplane and news media have confirmed the geolocation of that video.
4. Media report says US intelligence agency satellite detected heat signatures of two SAM launches and one impact.
Even absence intelligence report, the evidence is enough for people to draw reasonable conclusions.
These seems to be uncontested facts at this point.
1. There were photos of some fuselage and debris at crash site with what appeared to be puncher holes from external projectiles.
2. There was a photo of the head of a missile at the crash site that appeared on Twitter and news media have confirmed the geolocation of that photo.
3. There is now a video of the missile striking the airplane and news media have confirmed the geolocation of that video.
4. Media report says US intelligence agency satellite detected heat signatures of two SAM launches and one impact.
Even absence intelligence report, the evidence is enough for people to draw reasonable conclusions.
Jan 9, 2020, 4:40 pm
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This post on pprune summarizes the schedule departures that morning:
https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/...l#post10658384
This flight seems to have been on a normal departure profile from what I've read and other aircraft were apparently departing around the general time-frame. I suppose the outside world may never know the full chain of events that led up to the missile firing.
https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/...l#post10658384
There were 9 scheduled jet departures 0400-0459, 3 0500-0559 (including the Ukrainian) and 4 0600-0659. It seems operating an hour or more late is also pretty standard there.
Jan 9, 2020, 4:46 pm
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They should really be testing the remnants of the plane for explosives residue of some sort, because the presence of some sorts of explosive residue would pretty much nail down it being a missile hit or two.
Even the Iranian government would serve itself and everyone else better to share quickly what really happened and make this a “teaching”and “lessons learned” moment for a whole bunch of reasons not limited to just players in Iran and elsewhere in SW Asia.
Even the Iranian government would serve itself and everyone else better to share quickly what really happened and make this a “teaching”and “lessons learned” moment for a whole bunch of reasons not limited to just players in Iran and elsewhere in SW Asia.
