imverge

Maybe the first passenger 3E but 1B definitely not as he was a teenager.

imverge

Show me where I said I knew Portuguese aviation regulations or TAP policy?

If you actually read my post I clearly asked: "Can anyone confirm if this is against aviation security regulations?"

I'm not assuming anything. Where did I even mention Air Canada? You are the one assuming.

I contacted Portuguese Aviation and Transport Canada because the flight originated in Portugal and was bound for Canada. I don't think that is unreasonable.

imverge

Sorry, I don't think anyone other than the pilots should be in the cockpit during takeoff and landing ... they don't need distractions.

Grog

+1

Add me to the list of persons who might disagree with you. Listing the flight number, date, and the detailed description of a crew member is a form of outing.

That's been made quite clearly.

You've reported it precisely to TAP and to multiple authorities. Since you apparently don't know that any violation has taken place, what's your reasoning for not simply leaving the personal attributes and seat numbers of the persons involved out of your FT post?

cmd320

Why would anything FAA related be relative to a Portuguese airline flying between Portugal and Canada?

Well, what you think isn't really particularly relevant. This is actually a pretty common occurrence outside North America. I've personally been invited into the cockpit multiple times in-flight on various airlines and even for the entire flight including takeoff and landing one time.

Fortunately, the world does not revolve around the FAA.

imverge

The FAA regulations are at issue since if this is something that indeed TAP allows - they also operate flights to the USA and fly over US air space.

Actually what I do think is relevant your opinion isn't.

I'm a passenger who has reported witnessing something that I consider a security breach and if this is something that is allowed on TAP. I won't use them again. SIMPLE.

LarryJ

That's not how it works. Rules for cockpit access will be those of the country under which the airline's operating authority is issued. It does not change based on the destination or the airspace through which the flight flies.

Countries can add most restrictive rules for airliners operating in their airspace but that is the exception, not the norm. The UK, I believe, is one country that has such a rule.

US airline cockpit access was locked down well before I started in the industry in 1990 and was tightened further after 9/11. Many non-US countries tightened their cockpit access rules after 9/11 as well. I have no specific knowledge of the current rules for non-US airlines so can't add anything to what requirements may be for TAP.

KLouis

In your post #3 you wrote:

I behave like our Greek politicians: not only you assume you are always right, but when caught having made a mistake, you start screaming that "I never said that!".

imverge

Being certain - doesn't = I know for a fact.

imverge

Thanks for your insight... but read my post #27 .

I have reached out to both the Portuguese and Canadian aviation authorities and will report back with their response.

imverge

Visitors in cockpit, four pilots lose licence

NEW DELHI: Strict rules framed post 9/11 prohibiting entry of passengers into aircraft cockpits seem to exist only on paper. In the past one week, three flights — two mid-air and one on ground preparing to take off — saw pilots allowing either their children, their friend's kids or general passengers in large numbers into the cockpit.
The directorate general of civil aviation (DGCA) has suspended the flying licence of the four pilots who allowed their or their colleagues children inside the cockpit mid-air on two flights. And the pilot of the third flight who allowed passengers inside the cockpit of a plane on ground being prepared to take off has been derostered, or taken off flying duties.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...w/33199583.cms

imverge

Federal Aviation Administration introduced the Sterile Cockpit Rule. What is the Sterile Cockpit Rule?

It means that during take-off and landing - before the aircraft passes 10,000 feet on ascent and after it has passed 10,000 feet on the approach - pilots must focus entirely on “their essential operational activities” and “avoid non-essential conversations”.

“Sterile flight deck procedures are meant to increase the flight crew members’ attention to their essential operational activities when their focused alert is needed,” reads the code, which applies to all aviation authorities in the EU, including the British Civil Aviation Authority (CAA).

The rule, which all airlines are required to enforce, forbids “any duties during a critical phase of flight except those duties required for the safe operation of the aircraft”, citing as example, calls for galley supplies, confirming passenger connections, or airline promotions over the tannoy.

It also bans flight crew members or pilots from “eating meals, engaging in nonessential conversations… and nonessentials communications between the cabin and cockpit crews, and reading publications not related to the proper conduct of the flight”. It states this rule applies below 10,000 feet, and during taxi, take-off and landing.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/tr...hy-definition/

FN-GM

Having someone in the cockpit wouldn't necessarily breach the sterile cockpit anyway. If they sit there in silence and say nothing it will be sterile.

@imverge I bet you was the type to tell tales on your class mates.

imverge

Well I guess when they do their investigation they can always listen to cockpit recordings

No, I'm the type that calls people out when they endanger my life and the lives of others. If you want to stay quite that's your right but your opinion of me is none of my business.

Yachtman

I believe there is a lot of confusion over flight deck access rules, including rules relating to domestic operators designated by the countries aviation authority, rules in relation to foreign operators when operating in another countries airspace and also individual airlines.
So the question is; are flight deck visits allowed on Portuguese registered transport aircraft? Are flight deck visits allowed on aircraft bound for Canadian airspace? Does TAP allow flight deck visitors at the Commanders discretion?
It is important to realise that in many countries and airlines flight deck visits are still allowed.