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Ryanair: Abolish Co-Pilots To Save Cash

Old Sep 6, 10, 1:09 am
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Since he's always speaking about schemes to make more money, while being a low-cost airline, do they actually make any?
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Old Sep 6, 10, 1:13 am
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Originally Posted by weekilter View Post
Wouldn't they save money if they just let the pax fly the plane?
I suggested that a long time ago:

Originally Posted by Dovster View Post
In order to save money, Delta has started hiring pilots who learned their professions at home, working with Microsoft Flight Simulator software.

The plan goes into effect on Christmas Eve, and when the first plane will take off with Ray Kapulski from Hoboken, a former bowling ball polisher, as the pilot. His co-pilot will be his dear wife who learned along with him.

According to the Delta announcement, "Every mother's child is gonna spy, to see if Ray 'n dear really know how to fly."
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Old Sep 6, 10, 4:43 am
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Originally Posted by derteilzeitberliner View Post
Since he's always speaking about schemes to make more money, while being a low-cost airline, do they actually make any?
i read somewhere that they are doing reasonably well....
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Old Sep 6, 10, 5:10 am
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Originally Posted by derteilzeitberliner View Post
Since he's always speaking about schemes to make more money, while being a low-cost airline, do they actually make any?
Absolutely. I don't care much for his airline, but he certainly knows how to turn a profit... his shareholders like him.. I've been tempted to invest several times, but my utter disgust for the airline service has kept me from doing so up until now
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Old Sep 6, 10, 6:18 am
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Originally Posted by saad View Post
i read somewhere that they are doing reasonably well....
They made pre-tax profits of £289 million last year ... reasonably good considering there was talk of some kind of global economic problem.

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Originally Posted by marble View Post
They made pre-tax profits of £289 million last year ... reasonably good considering there was talk of some kind of global economic problem.
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Old Sep 6, 10, 6:42 am
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Why Ryanair Canít Legally Eliminate Co-Pilots
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Old Sep 6, 10, 7:20 am
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He is going for free press at this time. He knows that the laws will currently not allow it. But also sooner or later computers will be fully able to fly and land a plane, they pretty much can already do it now under standard situations. Then 1 pilot for emergencies would be enough.
Here is a longer article from businessweek :

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...4058006755.htm

He is in general right, the public does not expect much comfort as long as the price is better. Most of the flying public would probably even stand if you give them 30$ rebate for it.
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Old Sep 6, 10, 3:19 pm
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He is in general right, the public does not expect much comfort as long as the price is better. Most of the flying public would probably even stand if you give them 30$ rebate for it.
they may not expect much comfort but i'm sure they expect the same level of security that they would get from other regular airlines....
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they may not expect much comfort but i'm sure they expect the same level of security that they would get from other regular airlines....
That's quite relative, security is more about training of pilots, age of airplanes, pressure to fly in bad conditions etc.
I am way more worried to fly on a US commuter carrier doing service for any of the legacies then using a low cost airlines.
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Old Sep 6, 10, 4:52 pm
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O'Leary wants to save the airline money, then perhaps he should work for free thereby saving the airline tons of money.
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O'Leary wants to save the airline money, then perhaps he should work for free thereby saving the airline tons of money.
He did that and is now one of the richest Irish :

In 1987 he took a job as a financial assistant to Tony Ryan, an entrepreneur who had made a fortune in aircraft leasing and who had recently started an airline, based at Dublin Airport. (Ryan died in 2007.) OíLeary agreed to work for no base salary and a significant percentage of Ryanairís earnings, should the airlineís meager fortunes ever improve. The deal eventually made him one of Irelandís wealthiest men. He currently holds 55 million Ryanair shares valued as of Sept. 1 at $5.05 each.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...fit-quest.html

I don't defend what he is doing and I avoid flying his airline. But you have to admit that the airline did quite well with its low cost policy. The general public does not care enough about all the additional perks.

Talking about perks not sure anybody saw his interview about business class and additional services offered for potential long haul flights :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfIY24BErBE

They had a hard time translating it into German.
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I don't understand why his employees don't strike ? BA employees have had work stoppages on and off for months - something has to make a "dent" with this guy eventually (??).
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Old Sep 7, 10, 1:39 am
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Originally Posted by German Expat View Post
That's quite relative, security is more about training of pilots, age of airplanes, pressure to fly in bad conditions etc.
I am way more worried to fly on a US commuter carrier doing service for any of the legacies then using a low cost airlines.
i don't know about you but i would not be very comfortable with the fact that there was only one pilot on the flight....he could be the best trained, flying a new plane & be the best pilot for flying in bad conditions, but what if something happened to that pilot during the flight????none of these things would matter....what would matter is if there is another pilot ready to take over in such a senario....
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