Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Miles&Points > Airlines and Mileage Programs > Other Asian, Australian, and South Pacific Airlines
Reload this Page >

China Eastern MU5735 737-800 [not MAX] Crashed 21 March 2022, 132 onboard

Community
Wiki Posts
Search
Old Mar 21, 2022, 4:38 am
FlyerTalk Forums Expert How-Tos and Guides
Last edit by: starflyergold
WELCOME, MODERATOR GUIDELINES and SUMMARY
PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING
If you are new to us, welcome to FlyerTalk!

Who we are: FlyerTalk features discussions and chat boards that covers the most up-to-date traveler information; an interactive community dedicated to the topic of travel (not politics or arguments about politics or religion, etc.)

All travelers are welcome in the community. Just choose a forum: conversing about airlines and their programs, airports, destinations, dining and how to make the most of your miles and points, or visit our Information Desk to start.

We do have some Rules, and everyone agrees to abide by these when they are granted free membership privileges. On a topic that generates a lot of feelings and perspectives, please remember "welcoming, respectful" are key words on FlyerTalk.

As with previous accident threads, please observe the following in this thread:

1. The normal FT Rules apply. (Including not discussing moderation actions on-thread). And please be particularly attentive to "discussing the idea and not the poster" when you have a disagreement. Civility and mutual respect are still expected and are what we owe each other as a community.

2. You are expected to respect our diversity, and therefore refrain from posting inflammatory comments about race, religion, culture, politics, ethnicity, orientation, etc." Do not cite, copy, or report on such.

3. Please do continue to be attentive to the sensibilities of the families of those on the flight. Think about if you were them what you would and would not want to see posted. Reasonable speculation about what happened is permissible; please, though, do not indulge in inflammatory or overly-lurid descriptions or depictions (or links to same) that could well be hurtful.

4. Overly / extravagantly exaggerative posts such as conspiracy theories, posts beyond the realm of science and known facts, etc. as well as posts with information that has been posted several times previously may be summarily deleted. Moderator actions may not be discussed in posts on FlyerTalk.

5. FlyerTalk complies with international copyright agreements. Please do not post full copyrighted articles; summarize the salient points, cite properly and post links. Entire copyrighted articles will be summarily deleted.

6. In addition, those who repeatedly fail to comply with FlyerTalk Rules or the guidelines for this thread may be subjected to FlyerTalk disciplinary actions and have membership privileges suspended, forum masks, etc.
Print Wikipost

China Eastern MU5735 737-800 [not MAX] Crashed 21 March 2022, 132 onboard

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 21, 2022, 9:40 pm
  #46  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Programs: Top Tier with all 3 alliances
Posts: 11,666
Nosediving to the ground is becoming a 737 specialty...
GratefulSmile likes this.
nk15 is offline  
Old Mar 21, 2022, 9:57 pm
  #47  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Programs: Top Tier with all 3 alliances
Posts: 11,666
Analysis: China Eastern crash could set back Boeing's China recovery, return of MAX (msn.com)

China Eastern has grounded its fleet of 737-800s, state media reported. It is the country's sixth-largest operator of the type, with 89 planes, IBA said, but other Chinese carriers are continuing to fly the jets and China Eastern has not grounded its similar but slightly smaller 737-700s.

Jefferies analysts said China's aviation regulator was unlikely to ground the 737-800 fleet unless it specifically suspected a technical failure as the root cause because of the operational consequences of grounding more than 1,000 planes in the world's second-biggest domestic aviation market.

However, there are concerns the Chinese public could look to avoid flying on 737-800s until the cause of the crash is determined, given the broader reputational issues with the 737 family caused by the MAX, Cowen analyst Cai von Rumohr said in a note.

"Hence, isolating the cause of the crash will be critical," he added, noting the leading causes of commercial air transport crashes tend to be maintenance issues, pilot error or sabotage, rather than manufacturing or design issues.
nk15 is offline  
Old Mar 21, 2022, 10:21 pm
  #48  
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: PDX, OGG or between the two
Programs: AS 75K
Posts: 2,863
Originally Posted by nk15
Nosediving to the ground is becoming a 737 specialty...
Not sure your point but these two posts seem to be completely contradictory - one implies a design issue, the other refutes it.


Yellowjj likes this.
mtofell is offline  
Old Mar 22, 2022, 2:22 am
  #49  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany
Programs: Miles & More, Amex
Posts: 678
One interesting detail from the Aviation Safety Network:

The location where the descent from 29100 feet was initiated, coincides with the point where flight MU5735 began its descent (also from 29100 feet), the day before the accident.
Sounds to me like a technical malfunction. But let's wait and see what the investigation brings up.
nancypants and mtofell like this.
Scrooge McDuck is offline  
Old Mar 22, 2022, 6:43 am
  #50  
Marriott Contributor Badge
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Bainbridge Island, WA
Posts: 8,964
While facts are just emerging.... the UK's DailyMail had quite a bit of print and pictures I had not seen yet.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rs-reveal.htmlChina Eastern yesterday grounded all of its Boeing 737-800 aircraft after the incident, in which the plane suddenly nose-dived and plummeted 30,000ft in two minutes before slamming into the ground at 350mph.

The incident represents China's deadliest air crash in nearly three decades. The deadliest Chinese commercial flight accident was a China Northwest Airlines crash in 1994, which killed all 160 onboard.

President Xi Jinping quickly called for a full probe following the crash as search teams, firefighters and other personnel descended upon the site in a rural area of Guangxi province. “

[mod added copy to comply with rules.]

Last edited by l etoile; Mar 22, 2022 at 8:00 am
david55 is offline  
Old Mar 22, 2022, 7:21 am
  #51  
Ambassador, Hong Kong and Macau
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: Non-top tier Asia Miles member
Posts: 19,799
I'm listening in to what should be the first press conf given by officials on the accident at Guangxi. They threw no bones on probable cause.

A reporter tried to ask last maintenance of the downed aircraft, flight hours of the crew and whether the NTSB rep will come into the country. MU rep couldn't answer any of it (pretty poor prep by MU PR team).
nancypants likes this.

Last edited by percysmith; Mar 22, 2022 at 7:28 am
percysmith is online now  
Old Mar 22, 2022, 8:01 am
  #52  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Programs: Top Tier with all 3 alliances
Posts: 11,666
Originally Posted by mtofell
Not sure your point but these two posts seem to be completely contradictory - one implies a design issue, the other refutes it.]
I am being balanced...
nk15 is offline  
Old Mar 22, 2022, 8:45 am
  #53  
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: BNA
Programs: HH Gold. (Former) UA PP, DL PM, PC Plat
Posts: 8,184
Originally Posted by mtofell
The momentary recovery around 10K feet is what is really making be wonder. It just seems odd that a plane would dive 20K feet, recover then dive 10K more and crash.
Not odd at all. When recovering from an upset, it is very easy to induce a secondary stall by pulling up too quickly. This is something that we practice regularly in the simulator.

Originally Posted by nancypants
I believe valujet (assuming we’re talking about the same one which I think was 592) ended up nosediving intact in the final 10 seconds or so
The oxygen generator-fed fire on valujet 592 burned through the control cables separating the flight controls from the flight deck.

Originally Posted by Lomapaseo
Makes me wonder what G load it took to recover
The faster you try to recover, the higher the g-load. It takes a lot of altitude to recover from a high-altitude upset because you have to balance the increasing airspeed with the high g-loads that result from raising the nose at such a high speed.

What we know so far is consistent with a high-altitude upset. (That doesn't mean it was an upset, just that it is consistent with one) The question would become what initiated the upset.
EmailKid and mtofell like this.
LarryJ is offline  
Old Mar 22, 2022, 9:24 am
  #54  
Marriott Contributor Badge
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Bainbridge Island, WA
Posts: 8,964
Earlier in this thread there was a theory that the fuselage was wingless as it fell......a new CNN video clearly shows the wings attached.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/202...p-news-videos/
david55 is offline  
Old Mar 22, 2022, 9:40 am
  #55  
In memoriam
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Programs: DL 2MM, AA MM, DL Sky Club Life, AA Admirals Club Life, Hilton Gold Life
Posts: 1,732
Originally Posted by david55
Earlier in this thread there was a theory that the fuselage was wingless as it fell......a new CNN video clearly shows the wings attached.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/202...p-news-videos/
Well at least part of a wing
Lomapaseo is offline  
Old Mar 22, 2022, 10:42 am
  #56  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Berkeley, CA USA
Programs: Piggly Wiggly "Shop the Pig!" Preferred Shopper
Posts: 57,071
It amazes me with crashes so intense that they usually recover the voice and data recorders in workable condition. Let's hope that's true with this one.
dhuey is online now  
Old Mar 22, 2022, 11:40 am
  #57  
In memoriam
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Programs: DL 2MM, AA MM, DL Sky Club Life, AA Admirals Club Life, Hilton Gold Life
Posts: 1,732
Originally Posted by dhuey
It amazes me with crashes so intense that they usually recover the voice and data recorders in workable condition. Let's hope that's true with this one.
They have to find it first
Lomapaseo is offline  
Old Mar 22, 2022, 11:49 am
  #58  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Berkeley, CA USA
Programs: Piggly Wiggly "Shop the Pig!" Preferred Shopper
Posts: 57,071
Originally Posted by Lomapaseo
They have to find it first
Incredibly, they found the Air France 447 recorders at a depth of 13,000 feet in the Atlantic. Pretty sure they'll find these. The question is what condition they'll be in.
mtofell likes this.
dhuey is online now  
Old Mar 22, 2022, 11:55 am
  #59  
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: SF Bay Area
Programs: UA MileagePlus (Premier Gold); Hilton HHonors (Gold); Chase Ultimate Rewards; Amex Plat
Posts: 6,672
Originally Posted by Lomapaseo
They have to find it first
They found the FDR and CVR for UA93, so I'm pretty sure they'll find these as well.

Last edited by STS-134; Mar 22, 2022 at 4:46 pm
STS-134 is online now  
Old Mar 22, 2022, 12:25 pm
  #60  
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 5,856
Originally Posted by david55
Earlier in this thread there was a theory that the fuselage was wingless as it fell......a new CNN video clearly shows the wings attached.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/202...p-news-videos/
That video seems to be hinting that this is likely on the flight crew.
Sandeep1 is online now  


Contact Us - Manage Preferences - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.