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Lion Air flight from Jakarta has crashed
Nov 27, 2018, 7:14 pm
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Yes. Do you ignore the faults by non-Indonesian players?
To elaborate, if you sell something to a third-world country that is faulty, but you expect them to be able to manage because they have many failsafe measures in place, you are guilty if something goes wrong. First-world countries (and their companies) have a greater responsibility.
Boeing tries to sell to these companies and that is a large area of growth. And they sell a defective plane? Whose sensors don't work? And you expect them to know what to do? Are you kidding me?
It is like Tesla blaming the driver for using their autopilot. Except worse, because expecting faulty sensors wasn't in the instruction manual.
To elaborate, if you sell something to a third-world country that is faulty, but you expect them to be able to manage because they have many failsafe measures in place, you are guilty if something goes wrong. First-world countries (and their companies) have a greater responsibility.
Boeing tries to sell to these companies and that is a large area of growth. And they sell a defective plane? Whose sensors don't work? And you expect them to know what to do? Are you kidding me?
It is like Tesla blaming the driver for using their autopilot. Except worse, because expecting faulty sensors wasn't in the instruction manual.
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Nov 27, 2018, 10:29 pm
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartanntp
New NYTs article. It seems to me that Boeing's responsibility in this crash is somewhere between 50-100%.
New NYTs article. It seems to me that Boeing's responsibility in this crash is somewhere between 50-100%.
Nov 28, 2018, 3:19 pm
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Here's the BBC article for what it's worth. Makes for sobering reading:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46121127
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46121127
Nov 29, 2018, 5:03 am
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Prelim accident report released:
https://cdn.geekwire.com/wp-content/.../11/prelim.pdf
On the flight immediately prior to the crash flight, the previous crew already was experiencing airspeed indicator problems, had to turn off the elevator trim system, and the stick shaker activating for the entire flight... Not good.
https://cdn.geekwire.com/wp-content/.../11/prelim.pdf
On the flight immediately prior to the crash flight, the previous crew already was experiencing airspeed indicator problems, had to turn off the elevator trim system, and the stick shaker activating for the entire flight... Not good.
Nov 29, 2018, 6:45 am
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To me, the discrepancy regarding the number of FAs on board is also disturbing, although I'm guessing that the required number would be four, so five versus six doesn't really matter except that the count made weight and balance calculations slightly wrong.
Dec 26, 2018, 9:52 am
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NYTImes has new story. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...gtype=Homepage
Dec 27, 2018, 12:39 am
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NYTImes has new story. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...gtype=Homepage
good article, made me sad.Despite the responsibilities of Lion Air in such case (we all know they have many), Boeing cannot easily call themselves out and play the innocents, in my opinion.
Dec 27, 2018, 7:53 am
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NYTImes has new story. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...gtype=Homepage
Dec 27, 2018, 12:09 pm
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Jan 22, 2019, 3:21 am
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Do we know yet whether the information on the cockpit recording black box has been recovered? Was it sent to one of the expert labs for reconstruction of the damaged parts and analysis?
Feb 3, 2019, 3:24 pm
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Another article 
n this has appeared in the NY Times:
n this has appeared in the NY Times:Behind the Lion Air Crash, a Trail of Decisions Kept Pilots in the Dark
Mar 11, 2019, 3:31 pm
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Any further news on the investigation or even a hint of what was on the cockpit voice recorder?
Mar 20, 2019, 10:25 am
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Bloomberg: Pilot Who Hitched a Ride Saved Lion Air 737 Day Before Deadly Crash
Update from Bloomberg:
Link to full article: Bloomberg - Pilot Who Hitched a Ride Saved Lion Air 737 Day Before Deadly Crash (March 20, 2019)
As the Lion Air crew fought to control their diving Boeing Co. 737 Max 8, they got help from an unexpected source: an off-duty pilot who happened to be riding in the cockpit.
That extra pilot, who was seated in the cockpit jumpseat, correctly diagnosed the problem and told the crew how to disable a malfunctioning flight-control system and save the plane, according to two people familiar with Indonesia’s investigation.
The next day, under command of a different crew facing what investigators said was an identical malfunction, the jetliner crashed into the Java Sea killing all 189 aboard.
The previously undisclosed detail on the earlier Lion Air flight represents a new clue in the mystery of how some 737 Max pilots faced with the malfunction have been able to avert disaster while the others lost control of their planes and crashed. The presence of a third pilot in the cockpit wasn’t contained in Indonesia’s National Transportation Safety Committee’s Nov. 28 report on the crash and hasn’t previously been reported.
That extra pilot, who was seated in the cockpit jumpseat, correctly diagnosed the problem and told the crew how to disable a malfunctioning flight-control system and save the plane, according to two people familiar with Indonesia’s investigation.
The next day, under command of a different crew facing what investigators said was an identical malfunction, the jetliner crashed into the Java Sea killing all 189 aboard.
The previously undisclosed detail on the earlier Lion Air flight represents a new clue in the mystery of how some 737 Max pilots faced with the malfunction have been able to avert disaster while the others lost control of their planes and crashed. The presence of a third pilot in the cockpit wasn’t contained in Indonesia’s National Transportation Safety Committee’s Nov. 28 report on the crash and hasn’t previously been reported.
Mar 20, 2019, 11:49 pm
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Exclusive: Lion Air pilots scoured handbook in minutes before crash - sources
JAKARTA/SINGAPORE/PARIS (Reuters) - The pilots of a doomed Lion Air Boeing 737 MAX scrambled through a handbook to understand why the jet was lurching downwards in the final minutes before it hit the water killing all 189 people on board, three people with knowledge of the cockpit voice recorder contents said.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKCN1R10FB
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKCN1R10FB