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Lion Air flight from Jakarta has crashed
Oct 31, 2018, 11:40 am
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It appears the plane had some very serious issues on the prior flight -- Article (you can find text of article on Facebook) but it discusses "here was the smell of gas," she said. "And the plane kept shaking, going up and down. The crew's faces were so pale and tense.""
Nov 1, 2018, 9:29 am
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From Reuters, info on the problems of the previous flight. If true, why would the Captain continue with the flight? Is it not standard practice to return or land as quickly as possible in the majority of instances of unusual performance?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indonesia-crash-flight-exclusive/exclusive-pilot-made-distress-call-on-doomed-indonesian-jets-previous-flight-idUSKCN1N64ZE
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indonesia-crash-flight-exclusive/exclusive-pilot-made-distress-call-on-doomed-indonesian-jets-previous-flight-idUSKCN1N64ZE
Nov 1, 2018, 2:48 pm
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From Reuters, info on the problems of the previous flight. If true, why would the Captain continue with the flight? Is it not standard practice to return or land as quickly as possible in the majority of instances of unusual performance?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKCN1N64ZE
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKCN1N64ZE
Quoting my own post to get the link to work as suggested up thread. Sorry folks, not sure why copy/pasting links isn't working for me lately for some reason
Nov 5, 2018, 5:03 pm
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Doomed Lion Air plane's air speed indicator was malfunctioning for last four flights
https://cnn.it/2yW2UOzLast edited by steved5480; Nov 5, 2018 at 5:16 pm
Nov 7, 2018, 12:46 pm
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More detail now of how the 737 MAX will behave when a failing AoA sensor indicates the plane is in an immanent stall: multiple warning annunciators, stick shakers, and importantly continuous pitch down commanded by automatic trim inputs. The pilots were probably very confused at what was happening and weren't trained properly how to deal with this (I'm pretty sure the pitch down input is new to the 737 MAX and NOT part of the 737NG?).
I can't help but feel Boeing need to share some of the blame for this. Would be curious to know if the appropriate response to this failure (as described in a release they just put out) was documented in training materials, and, how effective this training was disseminated to the Lion Air pilots.
I can't help but feel Boeing need to share some of the blame for this. Would be curious to know if the appropriate response to this failure (as described in a release they just put out) was documented in training materials, and, how effective this training was disseminated to the Lion Air pilots.
Nov 7, 2018, 1:58 pm
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Boeing alerts pilots after Indonesia crash, FAA plans directive
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKCN1NC0CX
Nov 12, 2018, 6:56 pm
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"Information recovered from the jet's flight data recorder last week led the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration to issue an emergency airworthiness directive urging airlines to update their flight manuals. The directive warned pilots that a computer on the Boeing 737 MAX could lead to the plane being forced to descend sharply for up to 10 seconds even in manual flight, leading to potential difficulties in controlling the plane"
Sooooo, how is that acceptable. Should ground all the planes and replace the damn computers!
Sooooo, how is that acceptable. Should ground all the planes and replace the damn computers!
Nov 16, 2018, 8:51 am
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Boeing alerts pilots after Indonesia crash, FAA plans directive
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKCN1NC0CX
Nov 22, 2018, 6:57 pm
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Today's (Friday November 23rd) print edition of the New York Times International (former IHT, RIP) has a front page article motivated by the crash about Lion Air's expansion and lack of a safety culture.
Nov 23, 2018, 8:25 am
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‘Spend the Minimum’: After Crash, Lion Air’s Safety Record Is Back in Spotlight
https://nyti.ms/2DDxDD7?smid=nytcore-ios-share
Nov 27, 2018, 4:35 pm
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Here is a link to the article. It really is pretty damning. I’ve never flown them, or any LCC. But they were always associated with the Bali water landing. The picture painted in the article brings me to question if any airline in Indonesia can be trusted as the regulator themselves seem complicit.
‘Spend the Minimum’: After Crash, Lion Air’s Safety Record Is Back in Spotlight
https://nyti.ms/2DDxDD7?smid=nytcore-ios-share
Another reason to avoid the 737max