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Old Oct 29, 18, 3:15 am
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RIP - I'm surprised and scared that a newer plane, especially one that I've been on so many times went down - Boeing's legal team must be scrambling...
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Old Oct 29, 18, 3:49 am
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Sadly it's still an aspect of air travel we know might happen to any one of us, to our loved ones. And also sadly, the best we can hope for is that the cause is found and others won't suffer the same fate.

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Old Oct 29, 18, 5:39 am
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Originally Posted by Jaimito Cartero View Post
Very sad to see this.

Lion Air has been expanding greatly the last 5 years, and there have been some scandals with pilots.
A couple years ago there was the Lion Air flight that ended up in the sea, but in very shallow water so passengers could walk away.
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Old Oct 29, 18, 6:42 am
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80% of crashes are due to pilot error.
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Old Oct 29, 18, 6:47 am
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This should be looked at more closely in light of events
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Old Oct 29, 18, 7:01 am
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Lion admits that the plane had issues previous day but cleared to fly this morning before this fateful flight (round-up from The Guardian)
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Old Oct 29, 18, 7:32 am
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Originally Posted by MAXII View Post
The BBC provides more details. ��

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46014463
The link isn't working for me so I'm trying to see whether quoting it will help. [This often works.]

ADDED: The trick worked this time too.
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Old Oct 29, 18, 8:30 am
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https://news.sky.com/story/lion-air-...-past-11539154
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Old Oct 29, 18, 9:59 am
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The pilot requested ATC to return to base. That seems to suggest a mechanical issue
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Old Oct 29, 18, 10:14 am
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Originally Posted by jiaogulan View Post
Apparently the plane had indications prior to flying that it was not fit to fly....
I think that's an overstatement. BBC: "Lion Air Chief Executive Edward Sirait said the plane had an unspecified 'technical issue' on a previous flight, but he said that this had been 'resolved'."
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Old Oct 29, 18, 11:05 am
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist View Post
A couple years ago there was the Lion Air flight that ended up in the sea, but in very shallow water so passengers could walk away.
Swim away, perhaps. It was 5.5 years ago. This crash in Bali was quite fortunate that no one died as the plane did crack in half.

An Indonesian official did say that drugs were involved in this JT 904 crash, but only listed operator error in the final report. They had only had this 737-800 for 6 weeks.
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Old Oct 29, 18, 12:56 pm
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Originally Posted by DragonSoul View Post
Sadly it's still an aspect of air travel we know might happen to any one of us, to our loved ones. And also sadly, the best we can hope for is that the cause is found and others won't suffer the same fate.

This is true. But I tend to avoid low cost carriers, and particularly those in countries I deem to be high risk, such as Indonesia. When in doubt, a flag carrier or major airline, and preferably one that is a member of one of the three alliances, is always the safer bet. Alliance membership means the airline meets high safety standards, even if the regulation in the country is otherwise questionable.
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Old Oct 29, 18, 1:11 pm
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We fly Air Asia quite often in Thailand & Indonesia. It definitely hits home for us seeing this. 😢

Although we have never flown Lion Air, We ARE flying Batik Air for the first time next January, and I was a little nervous booking it but couldn’t pass up the deal they gave us for business class CGK-LOM.

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Old Oct 29, 18, 1:41 pm
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Very sad event.

Unverified reports from another 'professional pilot' forum provided an extract of the fault from the previous flight - essentially unreliable airspeed indication on the CAPT's side, so they reverted to using the FO's and continued the flight. Presumably, maintenance action was taken and the aircraft cleared for flight.

The investigation hopefully will determine if this fault re-occurred and, if so, the impact (if any) the fault played in the event.

We don't know yet - but the loss of any of the primary flight information (airspeed, altitude, heading and rate of climb/descent) increases pilot workload significantly. These situations can be very unforgiving should the symptoms be misidentified/mishandled.
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