Improperly denied boarding or not? Legal question China visa etc.
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So a low-cost airline based in Malaysia, boarding a US citizen at KUL for travel to China is supposed to disregard Timatic and somehow, miraculously find a poorly written page on the website for the Chinese Embassy for Australia from 2013 when 24 hr TWOV wasn't even allowed at SZX, that doesn't even specifically address the issue? How far are we going to reach to try to fault the airline, here?
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This page should give the OP some hope since it is from the proverbial horse's mouth.
Unless the OP didn't have a print out of his connecting flight.
4. Foreigners who have confirmed onward tickets and seats on international flights and directly transit through China and stay for no more than 24 hours within the airport shall not need to apply for a transit visa.
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Exactly my point .... this was my 5-minutes of searching, and it's the best I could find. The governmental website, here, doesn't mention transits ...
If no one here can find anything, what do you expect the gate agent to do? Take your word for it?
#34
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Know Air Asia
At denial of boarding by Air Asia, it is very difficult to make them compensate. Here are your steps:
1st: you need to have evidence of your claim of unrightfully denied boarding. The visa requirements must be clearly in your favor. (They wanted once to deny me boarding to Thailand as the boarding agent didn't know the visa requirements.)
2nd: you place your claim to customer care via email and all social media channels, and you must make reference to Consumer Rights Tribunal Malaysia (find the channel on Google).
3rd: you need a lot of patience. I was able to once get refunded, but it took about 6 months and a lot of screaming. Air Asia is like that, you won't get anything unless you scream. And don't hesitate to also tweet to Tony Fernandez directly.
1st: you need to have evidence of your claim of unrightfully denied boarding. The visa requirements must be clearly in your favor. (They wanted once to deny me boarding to Thailand as the boarding agent didn't know the visa requirements.)
2nd: you place your claim to customer care via email and all social media channels, and you must make reference to Consumer Rights Tribunal Malaysia (find the channel on Google).
3rd: you need a lot of patience. I was able to once get refunded, but it took about 6 months and a lot of screaming. Air Asia is like that, you won't get anything unless you scream. And don't hesitate to also tweet to Tony Fernandez directly.
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This page should give the OP some hope since it is from the proverbial horse's mouth.
Unless the OP didn't have a print out of his connecting flight.
Unless the OP didn't have a print out of his connecting flight.
Here's information on the website of the Chinese embassy in Australia:
http://au.china-embassy.org/eng/ls/vfc/t1038742.htm
I don't see SZX listed, but on the other hand, they seem to say 24-hour transit is ok without limitations.
http://au.china-embassy.org/eng/ls/vfc/t1038742.htm
I don't see SZX listed, but on the other hand, they seem to say 24-hour transit is ok without limitations.
Given that Timitac and the airport both deny the 24 hour visa applies, it "appears" he did not have the required paperwork. And "appears" is what the COC calls out.
Yeah, obviously he is out of luck on that. I know of no airline in the world that will compensate for a missed forward connection on a split tick on an unpartnered airline. So even if Air Asia admits they screwed up, all he would be looking at is compensation for the late arrival in Schenzen, which would be next to nothing anyway.
Last edited by exwannabe; Jul 1, 2017 at 11:05 pm
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Kind of funny, but I blame the PROC for much of the China TWOV issue. Timitac works with countries to get their database up to date. PROC hurts themselves by not doing this.
Of course suing PROC will not exactly get very far :-)
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I took this straight from the airport website which says I-I goes through customs. Maybe they have build a transfer security which (assuming OP had no checked luggage and a BP) would have allowed it. But how would Air Asia know?
Kind of funny, but I blame the PROC for much of the China TWOV issue. Timitac works with countries to get their database up to date. PROC hurts themselves by not doing this.
Of course suing PROC will not exactly get very far :-)
Kind of funny, but I blame the PROC for much of the China TWOV issue. Timitac works with countries to get their database up to date. PROC hurts themselves by not doing this.
Of course suing PROC will not exactly get very far :-)
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From Titamic
China - Transit Visa
Visa required.
Transiting without a visa is possible for:
Holders of confirmed onward air, cruise or train tickets for a max. transit time of 24 hours. Transit incl. multiple stops within China (People's Rep.), with a total transit time of max. 24 hours, is permitted. They must travel to a third country.
Nationals of USA holding confirmed onward airline tickets to a third country, if arriving in and departing from the same city:
at Changsha (CSX), Chengdu (CTU), Chongqing (CKG), Dalian (DLC), Guangzhou (CAN), Qingdao (TAO), Tianjin (TSN), Wuhan (WUH), Xi'an (XIY) or Xiamen (XMN) for a max. transit time of 72 hours, starting from 00:01 on the day following the day of entry.
CLEAR AS MUD
"Nationals of USA holding confirmed onward airline tickets to a third country, if arriving in and departing from the same city:"
What the heck does this mean?
Just above it said "Transit incl. multiple stops within China (People's Rep.), with a total transit time of max. 24 hours, is permitted." Or..........
China - Transit Visa
Visa required.
Transiting without a visa is possible for:
Holders of confirmed onward air, cruise or train tickets for a max. transit time of 24 hours. Transit incl. multiple stops within China (People's Rep.), with a total transit time of max. 24 hours, is permitted. They must travel to a third country.
Nationals of USA holding confirmed onward airline tickets to a third country, if arriving in and departing from the same city:
at Changsha (CSX), Chengdu (CTU), Chongqing (CKG), Dalian (DLC), Guangzhou (CAN), Qingdao (TAO), Tianjin (TSN), Wuhan (WUH), Xi'an (XIY) or Xiamen (XMN) for a max. transit time of 72 hours, starting from 00:01 on the day following the day of entry.
CLEAR AS MUD
"Nationals of USA holding confirmed onward airline tickets to a third country, if arriving in and departing from the same city:"
What the heck does this mean?
Just above it said "Transit incl. multiple stops within China (People's Rep.), with a total transit time of max. 24 hours, is permitted." Or..........
#45
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From Titamic
China - Transit Visa
Visa required.
Transiting without a visa is possible for:
Holders of confirmed onward air, cruise or train tickets for a max. transit time of 24 hours. Transit incl. multiple stops within China (People's Rep.), with a total transit time of max. 24 hours, is permitted. They must travel to a third country.
Nationals of USA holding confirmed onward airline tickets to a third country, if arriving in and departing from the same city:
at Changsha (CSX), Chengdu (CTU), Chongqing (CKG), Dalian (DLC), Guangzhou (CAN), Qingdao (TAO), Tianjin (TSN), Wuhan (WUH), Xi'an (XIY) or Xiamen (XMN) for a max. transit time of 72 hours, starting from 00:01 on the day following the day of entry.
CLEAR AS MUD
"Nationals of USA holding confirmed onward airline tickets to a third country, if arriving in and departing from the same city:"
What the heck does this mean?
Just above it said "Transit incl. multiple stops within China (People's Rep.), with a total transit time of max. 24 hours, is permitted." Or..........
China - Transit Visa
Visa required.
Transiting without a visa is possible for:
Holders of confirmed onward air, cruise or train tickets for a max. transit time of 24 hours. Transit incl. multiple stops within China (People's Rep.), with a total transit time of max. 24 hours, is permitted. They must travel to a third country.
Nationals of USA holding confirmed onward airline tickets to a third country, if arriving in and departing from the same city:
at Changsha (CSX), Chengdu (CTU), Chongqing (CKG), Dalian (DLC), Guangzhou (CAN), Qingdao (TAO), Tianjin (TSN), Wuhan (WUH), Xi'an (XIY) or Xiamen (XMN) for a max. transit time of 72 hours, starting from 00:01 on the day following the day of entry.
CLEAR AS MUD
"Nationals of USA holding confirmed onward airline tickets to a third country, if arriving in and departing from the same city:"
What the heck does this mean?
Just above it said "Transit incl. multiple stops within China (People's Rep.), with a total transit time of max. 24 hours, is permitted." Or..........