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JetSmarter is a membership program that allows members to fly on empty legs of private jets (JetDeals) and seats on scheduled private jet shuttles (JetShuttle).
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Old Jan 14, 19, 1:26 pm
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I'm not sure exactly which line you are talking back, but they definitely did light security at certain locations. At HPN, they would always take the bags to a separate area and have a K9 sniff around.
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i agree, the k9 hit on my bag once at HPN lol. It was actually some kind of gas that is emitted if you've use a portable cell phone battery pack. Also, in Boston, signature has a x Ray conveyor that you have to put your bags through, though it is very lax.
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Old Jan 14, 19, 5:11 pm
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Originally Posted by mwood20 View Post
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i agree, the k9 hit on my bag once at HPN lol. It was actually some kind of gas that is emitted if you've use a portable cell phone battery pack. Also, in Boston, signature has a x Ray conveyor that you have to put your bags through, though it is very lax.
Yep, BOS is the only private terminal I've been to that has an actual TSA screening station. Maybe because the 9/11 planes left from there? Also a related factoid is that you can't land at DCA private unless you have an armed guard on the plane, so that's why all the private flights are out of IAD, which is much less convenient.

To sum it up, my experience is: any private flight out of BOS is screened by TSA, any shuttle out of HPN/VNY is sort of luggage screened, and pretty much everywhere else has nothing. At least that's my experience so far.
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Old Jan 15, 19, 3:44 pm
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Originally Posted by dval44 View Post
Yep, BOS is the only private terminal I've been to that has an actual TSA screening station. Maybe because the 9/11 planes left from there? Also a related factoid is that you can't land at DCA private unless you have an armed guard on the plane, so that's why all the private flights are out of IAD, which is much less convenient.

To sum it up, my experience is: any private flight out of BOS is screened by TSA, any shuttle out of HPN/VNY is sort of luggage screened, and pretty much everywhere else has nothing. At least that's my experience so far.
That is EXACTLY my experience as well.
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Old Jan 16, 19, 2:50 pm
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On the west coast, I've always been screened at Oakland, Van Nuys and Hawthorne. Can't think of a single shuttle flight where that wasn't the case.
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Old Jan 23, 19, 10:36 am
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I logged into JetSmarter today and saw a grand total of 8 "deals" - charters, empty legs, etc. At the height of NY - South Florida travel, not a single shared charter, all "member initiated." Seems that the company is shutting down before our eyes.
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Old Jan 30, 19, 9:24 am
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Have the empty legs disappeared? Haven't seen one for a couple days.
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Old Jan 30, 19, 10:59 am
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I am sure that they have.

M ore lawsuits are being filed as well.
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Old Jan 30, 19, 11:13 am
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Have the empty legs disappeared? Haven't seen one for a couple days.
Just checked, and they're still around... and a few just popped up.

It's a very odd two day disappearance though, looking at XOJet on FlightAware, there are definitely some legs that are flying empty today, but weren't posted.
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Old Feb 10, 19, 4:48 pm
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The end is near

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Old Feb 11, 19, 2:34 pm
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Found it funny they referred to Vista Global as a "roll-up artist" when its just Vistajet and XOjet's parent. "Roll up artist" sounds much more ominous.
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Old Feb 11, 19, 2:50 pm
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Found it funny they referred to Vista Global as a "roll-up artist" when its just Vistajet and XOjet's parent. "Roll up artist" sounds much more ominous.
Interesting comment from JetSmarter that they are the subject of a campaign by competitors:

A spokesperson for JetSmarter said there were significant inaccuracies in the Poststory. The company added via a written statement, ďJetSmarter is in stable financial condition and very much supported by its institutional investors. Recent reporting has contained false information about JetSmarter, and the company has clearly been the subject of a targeted and fabricated campaign. Our digital private and shared charter solutions are taking market share from all the largest players in the industry and causing some to engage in unethical competitive practices. We are excited about the future of JetSmarter and the value it brings to the industry.Ē
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Does an XOJET Ė JetSmarter deal makes sense?

The deal, if it comes to fruition may be worth it on several fronts. First of all, XOJET and Vista Group would acquire JetSmarterís app technology which enables not only booking full aircraft charters but seat sharing flights, something many in the industry view as a future way to democratize the rarefied air of private jet flights. So far, the concept when applied against true private jets has not seen any meaningful success.

For XOJET and Vista Group, they would also inherit a database of 8,000 members, some of which are UHNW fliers who can afford full aircraft charters, which range from $5,000 to $20,000 per hour. Even just 100 members who spend $250,000 per year on charters would return $25 million, some of which ostensibly could be flown via the XOJET and VistaJet fleets. According to ARGUS, last year XOJETís fleet of 42 Challenger 300 and Citation X private jet flew an average of 1,055 or just 20 hours per week. And while that number is top of the league when it comes to business aviation, commercial airlines fly over 70 hours per week meaning there could be an upside from higher fleet utilization.

With a combined fleet of nearly 120 super midsize, large cabin and ultra- long-haul jets that it owns, Vista Global would be in a unique position to make the by-the-seat model work, perhaps scheduling shared flights on days where there is low demand for full aircraft charter and on routes where seat sharing has shown some viability, such as New York to South Florida and within California and to Las Vegas where JetSuiteX has been expanding using reconfigured regional jets. Until recently, JetSmarter had used JetSuiteX as a provider for members when it converted to pay by the flight pricing structure.
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Old Feb 11, 19, 3:01 pm
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Interesting comment from JetSmarter that they are the subject of a campaign by competitors:
i mean not really. Itís a standard PR moved for bad press: ďThis is nothing but a smear campaign put out by the democrats ď...
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Old Feb 11, 19, 3:15 pm
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That piece fails to acknowledge the greatest cash burn likely facing the company right now - legal fees. With more than a dozen federal lawsuits, a putative class action arbitration, and untiold number of confidential arbitration’s currently pending, the company is likely running up hundreds of thousands of dollars in lawyer fees each month.
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Old Feb 13, 19, 9:05 am
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Some interesting empty legs on the app now!

Iím 99% sure these are just VistaJet empty legs given how they match the fleet, common locations, and prices precisely.

OBVIOUSLY the bummer is that they all cost serious $ with no bennefits to members. Also these prices match the VistaJet empty leg prices, which I was always thought to be an unreasonable $8-10k per hour on big jets.

In case anyone is interested, I flew VistaJet throughout Asia and was not blown away at all. Food was fine but not great, interior was above average, pilots were super nice. The plane, however, had a broken air conditioning system so we were sweating on the ground until takeoff. I donít mean slightly warm. I mean our shirts were all physically wet with sweat.

here are a couple photos:



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Old Feb 13, 19, 7:44 pm
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Originally Posted by dval44 View Post
Some interesting empty legs on the app now!

Iím 99% sure these are just VistaJet empty legs given how they match the fleet, common locations, and prices precisely.

OBVIOUSLY the bummer is that they all cost serious $ with no bennefits to members. Also these prices match the VistaJet empty leg prices, which I was always thought to be an unreasonable $8-10k per hour on big jets.

In case anyone is interested, I flew VistaJet throughout Asia and was not blown away at all. Food was fine but not great, interior was above average, pilots were super nice. The plane, however, had a broken air conditioning system so we were sweating on the ground until takeoff. I donít mean slightly warm. I mean our shirts were all physically wet with sweat.

here are a couple photos:


shouldn't they be able to rent an APU - where were you flying from?

Just curious, in terms of interiors, my impression was they were supposed to be top end - although i guess part of that would be consistency vs chartering from airplanes with different owners. If somebody want the very best, who would your recommend?
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