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JetSmarter is a membership program that allows members to fly on empty legs of private jets (JetDeals) and seats on scheduled private jet shuttles (JetShuttle).
JetSmarter - discussion and experiences
Aug 14, 2018, 7:57 pm
#2221
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 1
Math does not work.
<div style="text-align:left;">Prolly something simirlar to DPJ’s “Sky access” program which is not ideal.<br /><br />If someone harnesses their tech and just aggregated the empties I would def pay for that. Something like their empty leg program in 2016 when they had 5+ operators</div>
<div style="text-align:left;"><br />Clearly they are going after an entirely new market of people willing to pay higher than first class seating to avoid TSA lines, get to the airport an hour later, and sit on a cramped plane getting offered inedible food by a disinterested flight attendant. I just don’t see how it possibly can work.</div>
Aug 15, 2018, 8:51 am
#2222
Suspended
Join Date: Mar 2018
Programs: Wheels Up, American Airlines, Jetmembership.com, Delta, Jetblue, Marriott
Posts: 23
<br /><br /><br /><br />folks, why no-one is connecting the dots: <br />1. An article in verge - operators are not offering empty legs at substantially discounted rates to js. <br />2. Empty legs that are scheduled and almost always delayed (due to meeting running late or dinner) are not practical for shuttle runs.<br />3. The model has changed: (google jetsmarter branded gulfstream). If you look at operating costs proposal from jetedge that now has leaked to the public. Even at the $1500/each way, g-iv will not even cover the trip cost of ny-fll at 10 capacity you are not covering the basic operating cost of $16,122 and that is non-charter operation. When you add charter certification requirements for pilots etc. You are at about 18k cost. (google g-iv operating cost per hour from aircraft cost calculator). I hate to rain on your parade, but in addition to airstream articles, and verge writeup, the lawsuits are popping up and the cash must be burning up. If you run public data report from dot, look at js flights from foreflight (matched to their offering data in the app) and then price it from the same operators you end up with a number of x dollars. Let's consider the publicly claimed numbers of members in these reports and assume a growth rate that petrosov publicly announced year over year. We get membership fees in the number of y. Finally, there are on-demand charters produced by js for members and margins there are about 10-18% based on an interview with js employee who was very local on linkedin recently. You will get an additional number of z. I am sure, some forensic accountant will soon reveal an exact number, but for now, all of the above minus expenses scream red ink. <br /><br />my day job is to analyze data for private aviation charter company, i like to stay anonymous to keep my job. But this data is public, just takes a bit of knowledge and tools to put it together. <br /><br />and for the posters who have hopes, there may be a solution, but it will come from the collective thoughts of the operators and not an outside broker/aggregator.<br />
Aug 15, 2018, 11:12 am
#2223
Join Date: Aug 2018
Programs: donluneburg
Posts: 2
I cancelled my Membership yesterday in righting, when they refused to honor my plan and then I also canceled 4 A/E charges from JS for $4500 they charged me after I cancelled the flights. I had an issue once before with credits not returned from them. Now looking with two other friends and 6 memberships to join or start an action.
Aug 16, 2018, 11:45 am
#2226
Suspended
Join Date: Apr 2017
Programs: AMEX Centurion, Inspirato, jetmembership.com, Mandarin Oriental, Hertz Gold Plus
Posts: 91
If the arbitration clause on jetsmarter's contract is valid (which it might not be, i'll leave that to the lawyers) then these two things are legal 101:
1. A MEMBER CANNOT SUE JETSMARTER IN COURT
2. JETSMARTER CAN'T SUE A MEMBER IN COURT
An arbitration doesn't mean you don't have options, but it will likely be held in private, and the results will be kept private, and you cannot appeal a decision.
1. A MEMBER CANNOT SUE JETSMARTER IN COURT
2. JETSMARTER CAN'T SUE A MEMBER IN COURT
An arbitration doesn't mean you don't have options, but it will likely be held in private, and the results will be kept private, and you cannot appeal a decision.
Aug 16, 2018, 6:55 pm
#2227
Suspended
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 557
(August 15, 2018 – The attorney representing the Jacksons tells Private Jet Card Comparisons that the case did not go to arbitration, but was amicably settled. He declined additional comment)
Aug 20, 2018, 12:51 pm
#2230
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: SMF
Posts: 1,251
I've know of one person who's signed up for it who reports that when the plane actually flies, its great, but said he got hit with 5 cancellations in a row within a month. All depends on how flexible you can be, and if you're ok with not booking hotels/return travel until you're in the air. If I was based in ATL/MSP/SLC I'd probably bite, but it doesn't have great coverage in California and most of the west.
Aug 20, 2018, 1:16 pm
#2231
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: MSP
Programs: Delta PM, Marriott Plat, Hertz Pres
Posts: 3,649
I've know of one person who's signed up for it who reports that when the plane actually flies, its great, but said he got hit with 5 cancellations in a row within a month. All depends on how flexible you can be, and if you're ok with not booking hotels/return travel until you're in the air. If I was based in ATL/MSP/SLC I'd probably bite, but it doesn't have great coverage in California and most of the west.
Aug 20, 2018, 7:00 pm
#2232
Suspended
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 557
JetSmarter is adding a desktop booking capability
JetSmarter connects fliers to more than 300 weekly shared flights with over 800 air carrier partners globally and routes to and from 170+ countries worldwide. The platform will soon be adding desktop booking capabilities to provide on-demand searching and booking flexibility.
https://markets.businessinsider.com/...omy-1027471450
Aug 20, 2018, 7:18 pm
#2233
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 469
Yeah, they love to issue press releases. I remember almost two years ago when they announced with great excitement their plans to open office in New York and LA:
Still waiting.
The skeptical might wonder if their latest release isn't just an attempt to push their recent bad press down the search result pages.
"Opening offices in New York and Los Angeles this year represents a big step forward in our growth, as we invest in two of our most important markets and continue to add talent to our team," said Sergey Petrossov, Founder and CEO of JetSmarter.
The skeptical might wonder if their latest release isn't just an attempt to push their recent bad press down the search result pages.
Aug 21, 2018, 12:38 pm
#2234
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 469
I notice JetSmarter's former President and CFO Gennady Barsky has been very active hyping the company
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Does anyone have any information about the status of his criminal case?
Does anyone have any information about the status of his criminal case?
Aug 21, 2018, 10:20 pm
#2235
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 637
I notice JetSmarter's former President and CFO Gennady Barsky has been very active hyping the company on Twitter recently.
Does anyone have any information about the status of his criminal case?
Does anyone have any information about the status of his criminal case?