Six Members Suspended for 30-Days, Eight Others Given Additional Warnings
Oct 21, 2003, 10:52 am
#151
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by OttoGraham:
Did you notice how relatively peaceful and contention-free the entire board was during his enforced absence? I did. Cause and effect, I think. </font>
Did you notice how relatively peaceful and contention-free the entire board was during his enforced absence? I did. Cause and effect, I think. </font>
For those who may not have seen it, this is defined as picking fights by disparaging airlines and service for no other reason then trying to goad people into replying with personal sniping.
Oct 21, 2003, 1:09 pm
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If "Professional Sniping" is going to be against the TOS, then "Profesional Stalking" should be too.
Way back when, a loooong time ago, there was a different FT'er who posted second hand knowledge as their own. Often times, this second hand knowledge was incorrect.
When some of us tried to refute these claims, we were told: "If posts by ****** bother you, then ignore them".
Why is this case any different?
Way back when, a loooong time ago, there was a different FT'er who posted second hand knowledge as their own. Often times, this second hand knowledge was incorrect.
When some of us tried to refute these claims, we were told: "If posts by ****** bother you, then ignore them".
Why is this case any different?
Oct 21, 2003, 1:47 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CameraGuy:
If "Professional Sniping" is going to be against the TOS, then "Profesional Stalking" should be too.</font>
If "Professional Sniping" is going to be against the TOS, then "Profesional Stalking" should be too.</font>
If we have to become more like Singapore (laws against everything), maybe we will become more like Singapore (a place considered "clean", "friendly", and "safe").
[This message has been edited by SEA_Tigger (edited 10-21-2003).]
Oct 21, 2003, 1:53 pm
#154
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by SEA_Tigger:
For those who may not have seen it, this is defined as picking fights by disparaging airlines and service for no other reason then trying to goad people into replying with personal sniping.</font>
For those who may not have seen it, this is defined as picking fights by disparaging airlines and service for no other reason then trying to goad people into replying with personal sniping.</font>
This was done to start a fight as this person views B6 to be a scam without backing it up. Now he/she accuses BW of agreeing with him. I guess you would call this "professional sniping".
Oct 22, 2003, 3:44 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Since we're back to normal now - it must be everybody else's fault.</font>
Oct 22, 2003, 12:06 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Analise:
This was done to start a fight as this person views B6 to be a scam without backing it up. Now he/she accuses BW of agreeing with him. I guess you would call this "professional sniping".
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This was done to start a fight as this person views B6 to be a scam without backing it up. Now he/she accuses BW of agreeing with him. I guess you would call this "professional sniping".
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Oct 22, 2003, 12:09 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by IndustrialPatent:
It is. I've just read every post avek00's posted since his suspension was lifted -- there's nothing, except for one marginal post, that's "bait." I think others are looking for a plot where one's nonexistant... </font>
It is. I've just read every post avek00's posted since his suspension was lifted -- there's nothing, except for one marginal post, that's "bait." I think others are looking for a plot where one's nonexistant... </font>
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Has YOUR airline won an award lately?
Oct 22, 2003, 1:55 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by avek00:
I will post what I think is right, and let the powers-that-be on FT deal with the stalkers...</font>
I will post what I think is right, and let the powers-that-be on FT deal with the stalkers...</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Well, you can take another carrier and not have to worry about being served food at all...heck, you won't have to worry about service period, as that word is not in the vocabulary of the SkyNAAzis and Prison Matrons...</font>
I'm almost sure that there will not be a response to this, or a red herring will get thrown about, or some other attempt to not address what you wrote and explain how it is "right", but I have been wrong in the past.
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Debunk the trolls--ask for facts.
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Oct 22, 2003, 2:42 pm
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ClueByFour,
So he prefers CO - big deal. Would you like to see some posts in the UA, AA, etc. fourms written by the airline's respective flyers trolling on NW?
avek00 may have been a troll in the past, but no matter how he participates now, others will jump on him.
So he prefers CO - big deal. Would you like to see some posts in the UA, AA, etc. fourms written by the airline's respective flyers trolling on NW?
avek00 may have been a troll in the past, but no matter how he participates now, others will jump on him.
Oct 23, 2003, 5:35 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by IndustrialPatent:
avek00 may have been a troll in the past, but no matter how he participates now, others will jump on him. </font>
avek00 may have been a troll in the past, but no matter how he participates now, others will jump on him. </font>
Oct 23, 2003, 8:31 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by IndustrialPatent:
ClueByFour,
So he prefers CO - big deal. Would you like to see some posts in the UA, AA, etc. fourms written by the airline's respective flyers trolling on NW?</font>
ClueByFour,
So he prefers CO - big deal. Would you like to see some posts in the UA, AA, etc. fourms written by the airline's respective flyers trolling on NW?</font>
If somebody says "the pitch on NW sucks" in the course of a discussion, and can bring some data to the table to support thet assertation, it's one thing.
However, if one were to troll thru every other forum (and the NW forum itself) dropping bits that compare NW's flight attendants to nazis, then it's nothing more than a troll (since you can't actually support that postulation). It's a safe assumption that such a remark is designed to irk the NW regulars, and nothing more.
Various folks do the latter regularly, and then cry wolf about personal attacks when asked for some facts, clarification, or presented with their own prior writings.
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Don't feed the trolls.
Oct 24, 2003, 6:43 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by avek00:
You might've noticed that it's the same five or six people that are always on my heels no matter what I post. I'm not going to deal with it, though - I will post what I think is right, and let the powers-that-be on FT deal with the stalkers...
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You might've noticed that it's the same five or six people that are always on my heels no matter what I post. I'm not going to deal with it, though - I will post what I think is right, and let the powers-that-be on FT deal with the stalkers...
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Oct 24, 2003, 7:20 am
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Originally posted by JRF:
You post soley to start flame wars.
Completely untrue. I have NO INTENTIONS WHATSOEVER of starting flame wars; other posters DO have that intention and use my posts as a convenient excsue for their actions.
The DL board has been great over the past month while you were away.
The board was "great" because the anti-DL folks virtually monopolized it for the entire month, successfully neutralizing any pro-DL news or commentary.
You are back for one day and it is just like it was before you were suspended. Who are you kidding. You don't post to add to the conversation, you post to disrupt!
No, I post what's on my mind, and hope that others will contribute in a MEANINGFUL discussion of the issues. The problem is that some people cannot stand to see other posters with equally strong and opposing beliefs on certain topics (such as DL), and thus prefer to mar the quality of the BBs.
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Has YOUR airline won an award lately?
You post soley to start flame wars.
Completely untrue. I have NO INTENTIONS WHATSOEVER of starting flame wars; other posters DO have that intention and use my posts as a convenient excsue for their actions.
The DL board has been great over the past month while you were away.
The board was "great" because the anti-DL folks virtually monopolized it for the entire month, successfully neutralizing any pro-DL news or commentary.
You are back for one day and it is just like it was before you were suspended. Who are you kidding. You don't post to add to the conversation, you post to disrupt!
No, I post what's on my mind, and hope that others will contribute in a MEANINGFUL discussion of the issues. The problem is that some people cannot stand to see other posters with equally strong and opposing beliefs on certain topics (such as DL), and thus prefer to mar the quality of the BBs.
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Has YOUR airline won an award lately?
Oct 24, 2003, 7:22 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ClueByFour:
Sure, but here is a fundamental difference:
If somebody says "the pitch on NW sucks" in the course of a discussion, and can bring some data to the table to support thet assertation, it's one thing.
However, if one were to troll thru every other forum (and the NW forum itself) dropping bits that compare NW's flight attendants to nazis, then it's nothing more than a troll (since you can't actually support that postulation). It's a safe assumption that such a remark is designed to irk the NW regulars, and nothing more.
Various folks do the latter regularly, and then cry wolf about personal attacks when asked for some facts, clarification, or presented with their own prior writings.
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Sure, but here is a fundamental difference:
If somebody says "the pitch on NW sucks" in the course of a discussion, and can bring some data to the table to support thet assertation, it's one thing.
However, if one were to troll thru every other forum (and the NW forum itself) dropping bits that compare NW's flight attendants to nazis, then it's nothing more than a troll (since you can't actually support that postulation). It's a safe assumption that such a remark is designed to irk the NW regulars, and nothing more.
Various folks do the latter regularly, and then cry wolf about personal attacks when asked for some facts, clarification, or presented with their own prior writings.
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Oct 24, 2003, 7:35 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JRF:
You post soley to start flame wars. The DL board has been great over the past month while you were away. You are back for one day and it is just like it was before you were suspended. Who are you kidding. You don't post to add to the conversation, you post to disrupt!
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You post soley to start flame wars. The DL board has been great over the past month while you were away. You are back for one day and it is just like it was before you were suspended. Who are you kidding. You don't post to add to the conversation, you post to disrupt!
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Of course, I am measuring this improvement over a period of days, not weeks or months. For now, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, though no doubt I remember the old proverb: "Trust, but verify."
Let's hope he continues his improvement and there will hopefully be no need of comments such as in this thread anymore.