AMEX /TW/AA
 

TIME TO MOVE AMEX MILES TO TW?

upgrade lover -

Been there, done that -- three days ago (Mon). Deal closed so I didn't wait. Those who do wait take the risk of Amex CC "cancelling" the TW agreement like they did with CP when AC bought them.

Now just have to wait for the 6 months PLUS time to pass for AA (actually TWA LLC I guess) to give notice of "closing" the Aviators program down so I can get all those nice MR/Aviators miles over to AA at a 1:1 exchange rate. Talk about coming up roses.
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dAAvid -

I do think it is time. I know no one lese has broached the topic of split parnerships, but that's what we do and as I've written before......it will happen. If you have any reason to want American Express Membership Points for use in the American AAdvantage program in the future, I'd make that switch now to TWA miles. I'm a little concerned of how American is handling the TWA awards into American right now. They put out a press release several days ago stating that they could take no action until having court/legal approval regarding the frequent flyer program issue. Here's why I have a problem with that statement, and I'm not trying to cheap shot AAdvantage on the issue - TWA Aviators has been part of a reciprocal relation with AAdvantage several years ago, so if they are saying they need court/legal approval (suspect statement), they already have on recdord that approval from a pre-exisiting relationship. It is a great way to keep redemption solely to the route structure of TWA and not have it encompass anything from the American Airlines network. But hey, I just have my opinion......need the number to call to make the redemption request?

I moved 202,000 MR points this past Wednesday. The AmEx phone operator had no problem doing it. They're already in my online TWA balance.

If your Aviators account is already registered with MR, you can transfer on the Web at http://www.americanexpress.com/rewards. Otherwise, you have to call AmEx to register that account with them before you can transfer into it. You can transfer the points in the same call. The numbers are 800-AXP-EARN (800-297-3276); from overseas 305-816-2799 collect. (This URL and these numbers are all public.)

Efrem .. you need to delete the period at end of hot link for it to work. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

OK, I give up .. the point of these transfers is lost on me. I am assuming that right now you can't move Amex MR points to AA and that is the rationale as that soon will be possible via the TWA Aviators?

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~ Glen ~

Oz and others. Currently and in the forseeable future, American does not have a relationship with American Express Membership Rewards. I am predicting that American will soon severe the relationship that TWA has with American Express Membership Rewards that allows members to move points from AmEx into TWA. IF that happens, then TWA members will lose any chance to move points from AmEx into use with either TWA or once their miles are converted into American miles. If I'm on with this advice, then you need to make these moves before the relationship is severed. If I'm wrong, then members might end up with miles in TWA that have lost the flexibility they would still have if they were still MR points with American Express. While I wish I was wrong, I do think American will severe the relationship with American Express rather quickly.

Try
http://www.americanexpress.com/rewards

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Thanks Randy and the rest! I just logged on and transferred 500,000 miles into TW.

Regards,

U-Lover

I just moved another million points into TWA. When QQ folded, all my miles there went toward base miles in AA. Hopefully this'll be the case here. If so, hello Plat for life. If not, then oh well, AA is a better choice for me than the other airlines.

I wish AA would forge a real relationship with Amex. After US and TWA leave the program there 'aint much left.....

Randy and others,

is there any risk in moving the MR miles to TW? I'm a bit concerned AA won't pick them up.

I think the relationship between AA and Citibank with the AAdvanatage Visa card precludes a deal between AMEX and AA (but Citi owns Diners, hence the Diners relationship). So I would expect the TWA/AMEX dealt to be terminated soon. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/eek.gif

Sdix

Wow! Another million points? How the heck do you rack up so much on the Amex card? I am impressed!

And American is now being paid for those points so money is coming in the door to them. So they may not mind it that you are moving over the points. Lifetime Platinum is sweet!

That's my attitude. I cashed in over 1 million AMEX points, on which I figure AA rec'd more than $20,000.

Why would they allow all the other AA credits to qualify...including Reno Air...and deny points that came in on which they get real, incremental money?

Why treat good, multi-million mile/dollar people like second calss AA citizens?

Thanks for input.

Wow, playing with a million points is a bit of Russian roulette tho surely if as Randy says, they lower the transfer boom gate fast?

Here is an OPTION that some may like to look at.

Amex MR in OZ have limited transfer options.

The best one has always been one (oz) MR point = one Qantas FF point.

Qantas just did a TOTAL revamp of their scheme, possibly with consultant input from one Randy Petersen. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

A superb thread outlining this new plan, with the head of Qantas FF scheme answering questions is here:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum39/HTML/000184.html


PART of this "new deal" is that for some reason Qantas will allow you to move 1,000 MR points into the QF sceme and give you a 20% "bonus" making 1,200 QF "Miles". I have about a million MR points, so I get 1,200,000 QF "Miles" with them on this basis.

With those QF miles I can redeem AA flight awards (or any One World awards of course) at better rates than I think it takes using AA points - even if you do have AA points. Better still I understand is that an American resident "transferring" his Amex account (and MR points) to an OZ address gets a far better deal than 1 MR = 1 MR as the OZ dollar is half the US dollar of course. i.e. right now I get one MR point for spending US50¢, AND a 20% bonus on that when I transfer it! Me spending US$10,000 (=$A20,000) gets me 20,000 QF points + 20% = 24,000 QF points, enough for many awards.

I won't spell it out in full here, but as I said, food for thought. Read the QF Forum, having a lot of QF points will be ahem, very useful when they transfer their scheme, in many ways. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

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~ Glen ~

As an example, under the "new deal" you can travel SYD-LAX-SYD in coach for 80,000 QF miles - right now it is 100,000 points needed. So If I spend about $US33,000 on my Amex for business purchases, I get a free trip to the USA.

I'd need to spend $US60,000 on a UA Visa card (I assume $US1 spent = 1 MP point?) to redeem one free coach ticket for same route on UA - nearly twice as much as Qantas requires.

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~ Glen ~