Bidding for Travel... getting uglier!
#31
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Suwanee,Ga ,usa
Posts: 3,617
I think she had a great idea and began her business well.
She,however, does not have the personality to create good will and handle customer service.
I venture to say that most who had no problem with her "style" very likely have some of the same personality traits that she has.
Please read me correctly here, I'm not saying that those who "support" her are rude and abrasive,but if they took a DISC personality assessment test they very likely are "high C's". My wife is a "high C" and she tends to like exact structure. Yet, she has learned how to develop her versatility. Why? Well, because she wants our relationship to work.
BFT was definitly set up with strict "high C" type structure. I tend to believe that its owner created BFT in her "own image". No problem with that.Yet, she refused to be versatile. She strictly focused on her site being orderly and analytical at the cost of overall loyalty. Without that loyalty the number of new new shared information started to dwindle and new competition appeared .
Orderliness and self-discipline are great strenths of this type of personality. But,taken to the extreme these stregths lead to weaknesses;BFT became too rigid, too sensitive to criticism and even took on a suspicious nature.
What she needed to do was to adjust to those who didn't have the same traits. .
IMHO,it's the business that has the onus to do the adjusting. If not,expect to lose many customers.
I wish Sheryl well and I hope that she hasn't had any serious family or health issues. To spite a previous post here,there's no evidence (just speculation) that this has happened.
For some of us who went to that site many years ago and even contributed money (let alone information) ,we look at this "season" of BFT's decline and simply shake our heads;it could have been much more.
She,however, does not have the personality to create good will and handle customer service.
I venture to say that most who had no problem with her "style" very likely have some of the same personality traits that she has.
Please read me correctly here, I'm not saying that those who "support" her are rude and abrasive,but if they took a DISC personality assessment test they very likely are "high C's". My wife is a "high C" and she tends to like exact structure. Yet, she has learned how to develop her versatility. Why? Well, because she wants our relationship to work.
BFT was definitly set up with strict "high C" type structure. I tend to believe that its owner created BFT in her "own image". No problem with that.Yet, she refused to be versatile. She strictly focused on her site being orderly and analytical at the cost of overall loyalty. Without that loyalty the number of new new shared information started to dwindle and new competition appeared .
Orderliness and self-discipline are great strenths of this type of personality. But,taken to the extreme these stregths lead to weaknesses;BFT became too rigid, too sensitive to criticism and even took on a suspicious nature.
What she needed to do was to adjust to those who didn't have the same traits. .
IMHO,it's the business that has the onus to do the adjusting. If not,expect to lose many customers.
I wish Sheryl well and I hope that she hasn't had any serious family or health issues. To spite a previous post here,there's no evidence (just speculation) that this has happened.
For some of us who went to that site many years ago and even contributed money (let alone information) ,we look at this "season" of BFT's decline and simply shake our heads;it could have been much more.
#32
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 364
I fully believe that if your wife hadn't developed her versatility to your satisfaction " because she wants our relationship to work", you would have developed the necessary changes in your personality to protect that relationship. Most guys would, including me.
#33
Join Date: Jun 2002
Programs: Hyatt Explorist, IHG Platinum, Celebrity Cruises Elite Plus
Posts: 1,259
Current mods are doing an OK job, though I am not sure who is orchestrating it all. Though there can be no excuse for Sheryl's "unique" style, we all know her initial absence a couple of months ago was prompted by some sort of personal/health crisis, so whetever you may think of her as BFT supremo, she is a human being, and if this is her main business and she is in such a way that she cannot maintain it, something must be quite seriously wrong.
So before we criticise too much, just remember she could have cancer, have lost a relative or something.......who knows.
So before we criticise too much, just remember she could have cancer, have lost a relative or something.......who knows.
And lets not forget she's been seen posting on other websites during her absenses from BFT. While she's certainly free to do so, it's hard to swallow the personal/health crisis argument that she's "unable" to communite to her supporters when she's simultaneously posting elsewhere.
A small, family run restaurant I used to patronize for a number of years closed rather abruptly a few months ago. The last time I pulled up to the site all I could see were "closed" signs in all the windows. Wanting to know more, I walked around the building until I found a friendly sign that said after 30 years they were finally "hanging up their skillet" and entering retirement. And of course a big thank you to all their patrons for their years of loyal business.
A simple "thank you" to her supporters would go a long, long way. But she obviously chooses another road.
#34
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: SF CA USA. I love large faceless corporations. And they cherish me in return (sometimes). ;)
Programs: UA Premier Gold/disappointed 1MM, HH Gold, IHG Plat, MB Gold, BW Diam Sel
Posts: 17,575
Folks, let's be honest here. Sheryl, for a lot of you, is just someone you "love to hate."
Not defending anything she has or hasn't done, just making an observation. @:-)
#35
Ambassador, New England
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Maineiac, USA
Programs: Amtrak, WN RR, Choice
Posts: 2,655
Sheryl seemed to bring hate upon other people simply for not completely understanding why people couldn't/wouldn't do what was asked of them. Even if they didn't know they were being asked to follow a specific protocol for posting, they were made to feel stupid if they made an attempt to ask a question or create a useful post that might benefit someone else.
As has been said and resaid and resaid and resaid and resaid and... anyway... she is/was free to follow whatever business model she chooses, and it simply cannot be denied how invaluable a resource it was before this "crash". But even the site's greatest fans would be lying to themselves if they were to say that she didn't ultimately play a role in its demise.
And seeing as though it is reasonable to assume, based on past history, that she monitors posts on FT, nobody can say we didn't try to help her make things better.
#36
Join Date: Jun 2002
Programs: Hyatt Explorist, IHG Platinum, Celebrity Cruises Elite Plus
Posts: 1,259
So any posting on the subject doesn't come out of hatred, but rather complete amazement how a business person can expect to run successful company the way they treat their customers. Unlike people discussing the business tactics of any given airline, Proctor & Gamble, McDonalds, etc, the difference here (with BFT) is that it's owned/managed by one person. By that account alone, discussion takes on attacks that can be deemed personal. No one would bat an eye if Starbucks had strange business tactics that caused people to take pot shots right and left on message board forums. But I see discussing BFT no different than discussing any other business.
#37
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New York, NY
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#38
Join Date: Dec 2004
Programs: DL - Plat, Marriott - Plat, Hilton - Diamond, SPG- Plat, National- ES
Posts: 1,857
There are other considerations. My "dislike" of Sherly actually has very little to do with her BFT boards. (I just ignored her "did you bid via A-B link" and somehow avoided getting banned) However, I saw her in action on another board where she was just a poster. If anyone DARED to disagree with her, the frenzy that followed was pretty funny. Of course she eventually got a dose of her own treatement there and was BANNED! So it's not her "business model" IMHO she REALLY believes she is perfect and the rest of us are not.
(Although she does appear to have banned the entire company where I am working right now!)
(Although she does appear to have banned the entire company where I am working right now!)
#39
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Seattle, WA
Programs: AS MVPG, Hyatt Discoverist, Hilton Gold
Posts: 3,399
After a long absence, I visited BFT and got some good info and ended up with a nice winning bid for a Disneyland trip. I posted my results and after two weeks have not been bothered by any of the moderators. That's how it should be and I hope it continues.
#40
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: DCA
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Unfortunately the site seems to have fallen into a good bit of disrepair, the hotel lists are really no longer accurate/up-to-date.
Not that you ever should have relied on them ... but now more than ever ALWAYS check yourself what rebid zones are for your particular situation, and DO NOT rely on BFT. I frequently see zones listing 4* hotels on BFT but only 3* options on PL for instance.
Not that you ever should have relied on them ... but now more than ever ALWAYS check yourself what rebid zones are for your particular situation, and DO NOT rely on BFT. I frequently see zones listing 4* hotels on BFT but only 3* options on PL for instance.
#41
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Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: FLL -> Where The Boyars Are
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And also check the zones themselves for changes (such as the combination of Coral Gables and Coconut Grove into a single zone - two very different areas (albeit clse to each other geographically). Taking the few extr moments to check the current zones will avoid possible unpleasant surprises.
#42
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 119
She's trained them well. But I went the other way and never use the A-B link. The current moderators (GeoNit, for example) are actually courteous. I still find there is much more information than on any other site - which is reality. I did get more annoyed with Better Bidding than I ever did with Sheryl. After putting in one post I got repeated emails from the owner telling me to enter PL via Savings Barn. So I stopped posting on BB after my short career there. I continue to post the facts on BFT because it serves the purpose. I do follow the format because it's easier to find things through the title that way. I think Priceline should sponsor its own bidding board.
Last edited by hammie; Apr 17, 2007 at 9:33 pm
#43
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 364
Unfortunately the site seems to have fallen into a good bit of disrepair, the hotel lists are really no longer accurate/up-to-date.
Not that you ever should have relied on them ... but now more than ever ALWAYS check yourself what rebid zones are for your particular situation, and DO NOT rely on BFT. I frequently see zones listing 4* hotels on BFT but only 3* options on PL for instance.
Not that you ever should have relied on them ... but now more than ever ALWAYS check yourself what rebid zones are for your particular situation, and DO NOT rely on BFT. I frequently see zones listing 4* hotels on BFT but only 3* options on PL for instance.
#45
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,665
Indeed
Why would I make it up? I had never heard of Savings Barn and had no interest - after all I was posting information (Hotwire amenity list corrections) for others to use. And I stopped posting after the emails - these were not a BB PM but emails to my registered address. On the other hand, I post frequently at BFT, and have done so for a long time. Sheryl was always courteous and she even added one of my posts to her FAQ. Her notes were always PMs at the EZ In Box, not emails. Since she's not been there, KeenWink and others have been gracious and have even written nice notes about the information I posted (I'm not B1 other there - it was taken). I guess we each have our own view from the keyboard.