Mar 13, 2019, 3:57 am
Last edit by: pandaperth
Chronological Summary of Changes to the Oneworld Explorer Rule Sheet
(click on the dates to go to the relevant posts in this thread)
2023-Oct-05 Changes to the Premium Economy surcharge table
2023-May-01 Rule 4(e) change, regarding second visit to Asia
2022-Aug-31 Comair removed from the list of BA affiliated Airlines
2022-Apr-21 S7 removed from the list of airlines
2021-Jul-01 Minor change
2021-Apr-01 AS joins the alliance
2020-May-01 LATAM (LA & JJ) leaves the alliance
2020-Apr-01 Royal Air Maroc (AT) joins the alliance
2019-Mar-15 Minor change
2019-Feb-11 Rule 4(j) Wording, in part, changed from:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked as a through flight segment between Australia & USA (eg SYD-JFK vv)
To:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked in conjunction with a QF operated and marketed online connection or stopover flight at LAX
Rule 15 Following paragraph removed
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate.
Other, minor, changes
2019-Jan-08 Minor change (to the list of AA-affiliated airlines)
2018-Jun-06 Rule 16 - VOLUNTARY CHANGES / REROUTING / PENALTIES
Highlighted words removed
16(a)2d. If the rerouting results in an increase to the number of continents or extra flight segments previously charged, the ticket shall be recalculated.
2018-Mar-05 Rule 4(j) Words added:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked as a through flight segment between Australia & USA (eg SYD-JFK vv)
2017-Oct-30 Rule 5 Reservations and Ticketing: changed wording
From:
Reservations for the first overwater flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure.
To:
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure.
Air berlin removed (it has ceased operating)
2017-Sep-05 No change (see the linked post)
2017-Aug-01 Rule 4(e) Major change regarding second visits to certain continents
Old Version:
New Version:
(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
Two permitted in North America.
Two permitted in Asia when one is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and Europe/Middle East.
Two permitted in Europe/Middle East.
If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa. AA Premium Economy booking classes added
2017-Feb-01 Rule 4(f) has the following words added:
No more than 4 international transfers from the one country permitted
2016-Dec-01 Rule 0 Removal of these words
3 Continent Fare is only offered for travel originating in Asia, Europe/Middle East and North America
(because southern hemisphere 3- continent itineraries became possible when JJ commenced its GRU-JNB service)
Rule 4(g) addition of these words:
The first crossing between TC areas must be flown, not surfaced
Rule 4(h) Removal of these words:
*not more than 2 of which may be between the UK and ALBANIA, ALGERIA, BULGARIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS, GREECE, MIDDLE EAST, MOROCCO, ROMANIA, RUSSIA west of the Urals, TUNISIA, TURKEY, UKRAINE.
2016-Aug-04 Rule 4(h) Removal of these words:
*segments between Europe and Middle East are not permitted if travel includes Africa and the itinerary utilises the backtracking provisions in Para 4(e) 3.1.3.or 3.2.3.
(So no more complicated rules regarding second visits to Europe/Middle East)
2016-Apr-22 Rule 4(e) Major change to the 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East rule
New wording is:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/membe...iddle-east.png Rule 8Stopovers.
Removal of the highlighted words:
2. Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.
Rule 15 Sales Restrictions
Removal of the highlighted words:
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale.
Exception: Not applicable when BOTH travel originates and sales are made within Europe.
2016-Apr-01 Minor change to booking classes
2015-Dec-01 Minor change to list of affiliate airlines and to the cancellation fee
2015-Nov-01 US Airways removed from list of airlines (its merger with AA was complete)
2015-Sep-01Rule 4(k) ATL added to list of east coast cities
Rule 26 Change to group booking codes
2015-Jun-01 Rule 4(k) TPA added to list of east coast cities
2015-Feb-01 Minor change to the list of affiliated carriers
Rule 16 Voluntary Changes
Removal of “Date/Time/Carrier” changes. Phrase now used is “changes to ticketed points”
2014-Nov-01 Rule 4(j) change to the list of affiliated airlines
2014-Oct-01 Rule 5 Highlighted words added
NOTE: For flights where First or Business Class is not offered or available, passengers may travel in a lower Class, in the applicable booking code for that lower Class.
Where the applicable booking class for the lower class is not available,
Passengers travelling on First Class Fares may book Y class
Passengers travelling on DONE* Business Class Fares may book B class
2014-Aug-01 Minor changes only
2014-Jul-01 IONE3 fares added
Other minor changes
2014-May-01 UL joins Oneworld
2014-Apr-01 JJ and US join Oneworld
2013-Dec-01 Allows DONEn travellers to fly in first class on QR’s Middle East flights
2013-Oct-30 QR joins Oneworld
Complicated new rule for 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East in conjunction with travel to/from/via Africa
2013-Oct-01 LAN Colombia joins Oneworld
2013-Jul-01 Minor changes
Removed the ability to purchase extra intra-continent flight segments
2013-Mar-01 Changes subsequently discovered
Continents transited to be counted
Rule 8. The highlighted words dropped
Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.
2013-Jan-31 MH joins Oneworld
2012-Nov Rule 0 The highlighted words added
TRAVEL BETWEEN SOUTH WEST PACIFIC AND EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER/OR BY SURFACE IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING SWP-ASIA-EUROPE/ MIDDLE EAST THROUGH THREE CONTINENTS
2011-May-02 Rule 4(l) Change to the list of Australian trans-continental flights allowed
2011-Apr-01 Rule 4(e)(3) Tanzania removed from the list of African countries where 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East allowed
2011-Feb-02 QF codeshare flight on JQ allowed
Albania and Turkey added to the list of countries to/from which only two flights allowed from/to UK
2010-Nov-01 Highlighted words added
TRAVEL BETWEEN SWP AND EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER/ OR BY SURFACE IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING SWP-ASIA-EUROPE THROUGH THREE CONTINENTS.
Premium Economy supplements increased
2009-Nov-30 Rule 4(l) Change to the list of Australian trans-continental flights allowed
2009-Aug-04 Rule 4(c) Origin-Destination surface segment allowed between Maldives and Sri Lanka/India
Rule 8. Highlighted words added
Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin
(click on the dates to go to the relevant posts in this thread)
2023-Oct-05 Changes to the Premium Economy surcharge table
2023-May-01 Rule 4(e) change, regarding second visit to Asia
2022-Aug-31 Comair removed from the list of BA affiliated Airlines
2022-Apr-21 S7 removed from the list of airlines
2021-Jul-01 Minor change
2021-Apr-01 AS joins the alliance
2020-May-01 LATAM (LA & JJ) leaves the alliance
2020-Apr-01 Royal Air Maroc (AT) joins the alliance
2019-Mar-15 Minor change
2019-Feb-11 Rule 4(j) Wording, in part, changed from:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked as a through flight segment between Australia & USA (eg SYD-JFK vv)
To:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked in conjunction with a QF operated and marketed online connection or stopover flight at LAX
Rule 15 Following paragraph removed
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate.
Other, minor, changes
2019-Jan-08 Minor change (to the list of AA-affiliated airlines)
2018-Jun-06 Rule 16 - VOLUNTARY CHANGES / REROUTING / PENALTIES
Highlighted words removed
16(a)2d. If the rerouting results in an increase to the number of continents or extra flight segments previously charged, the ticket shall be recalculated.
2018-Mar-05 Rule 4(j) Words added:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked as a through flight segment between Australia & USA (eg SYD-JFK vv)
2017-Oct-30 Rule 5 Reservations and Ticketing: changed wording
From:
Reservations for the first overwater flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure.
To:
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure.
Air berlin removed (it has ceased operating)
2017-Sep-05 No change (see the linked post)
2017-Aug-01 Rule 4(e) Major change regarding second visits to certain continents
Old Version:
New Version:
(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
Two permitted in North America.
Two permitted in Asia when one is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and Europe/Middle East.
Two permitted in Europe/Middle East.
If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa. AA Premium Economy booking classes added
2017-Feb-01 Rule 4(f) has the following words added:
No more than 4 international transfers from the one country permitted
2016-Dec-01 Rule 0 Removal of these words
3 Continent Fare is only offered for travel originating in Asia, Europe/Middle East and North America
(because southern hemisphere 3- continent itineraries became possible when JJ commenced its GRU-JNB service)
Rule 4(g) addition of these words:
The first crossing between TC areas must be flown, not surfaced
Rule 4(h) Removal of these words:
*not more than 2 of which may be between the UK and ALBANIA, ALGERIA, BULGARIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS, GREECE, MIDDLE EAST, MOROCCO, ROMANIA, RUSSIA west of the Urals, TUNISIA, TURKEY, UKRAINE.
2016-Aug-04 Rule 4(h) Removal of these words:
*segments between Europe and Middle East are not permitted if travel includes Africa and the itinerary utilises the backtracking provisions in Para 4(e) 3.1.3.or 3.2.3.
(So no more complicated rules regarding second visits to Europe/Middle East)
2016-Apr-22 Rule 4(e) Major change to the 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East rule
New wording is:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/membe...iddle-east.png Rule 8Stopovers.
Removal of the highlighted words:
2. Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.
Rule 15 Sales Restrictions
Removal of the highlighted words:
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale.
Exception: Not applicable when BOTH travel originates and sales are made within Europe.
2016-Apr-01 Minor change to booking classes
2015-Dec-01 Minor change to list of affiliate airlines and to the cancellation fee
2015-Nov-01 US Airways removed from list of airlines (its merger with AA was complete)
2015-Sep-01Rule 4(k) ATL added to list of east coast cities
Rule 26 Change to group booking codes
2015-Jun-01 Rule 4(k) TPA added to list of east coast cities
2015-Feb-01 Minor change to the list of affiliated carriers
Rule 16 Voluntary Changes
Removal of “Date/Time/Carrier” changes. Phrase now used is “changes to ticketed points”
2014-Nov-01 Rule 4(j) change to the list of affiliated airlines
2014-Oct-01 Rule 5 Highlighted words added
NOTE: For flights where First or Business Class is not offered or available, passengers may travel in a lower Class, in the applicable booking code for that lower Class.
Where the applicable booking class for the lower class is not available,
Passengers travelling on First Class Fares may book Y class
Passengers travelling on DONE* Business Class Fares may book B class
2014-Aug-01 Minor changes only
2014-Jul-01 IONE3 fares added
Other minor changes
2014-May-01 UL joins Oneworld
2014-Apr-01 JJ and US join Oneworld
2013-Dec-01 Allows DONEn travellers to fly in first class on QR’s Middle East flights
2013-Oct-30 QR joins Oneworld
Complicated new rule for 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East in conjunction with travel to/from/via Africa
2013-Oct-01 LAN Colombia joins Oneworld
2013-Jul-01 Minor changes
Removed the ability to purchase extra intra-continent flight segments
2013-Mar-01 Changes subsequently discovered
Continents transited to be counted
Rule 8. The highlighted words dropped
Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.
2013-Jan-31 MH joins Oneworld
2012-Nov Rule 0 The highlighted words added
TRAVEL BETWEEN SOUTH WEST PACIFIC AND EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER/OR BY SURFACE IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING SWP-ASIA-EUROPE/ MIDDLE EAST THROUGH THREE CONTINENTS
2011-May-02 Rule 4(l) Change to the list of Australian trans-continental flights allowed
2011-Apr-01 Rule 4(e)(3) Tanzania removed from the list of African countries where 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East allowed
2011-Feb-02 QF codeshare flight on JQ allowed
Albania and Turkey added to the list of countries to/from which only two flights allowed from/to UK
2010-Nov-01 Highlighted words added
TRAVEL BETWEEN SWP AND EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER/ OR BY SURFACE IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING SWP-ASIA-EUROPE THROUGH THREE CONTINENTS.
Premium Economy supplements increased
2009-Nov-30 Rule 4(l) Change to the list of Australian trans-continental flights allowed
2009-Aug-04 Rule 4(c) Origin-Destination surface segment allowed between Maldives and Sri Lanka/India
Rule 8. Highlighted words added
Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin
Changes to xONEx Rule Sheet
Sep 28, 2017, 3:15 pm
#511
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Juneau, Alaska.
Programs: AS 75K;BA Silver;AA G;HH Dia;HY Glob
Posts: 15,790
This has been discussed before in this forum
- whether the rule's wording "provided one is a transfer without without stopover" (my emphasis)
- means a single transfer of less than 24 hrs
- or multiple transfers each of which is less than 24hrs
Some have reported being allowed multiple transfers
but others have reported being refused
FWIW (very little
) I have always been of the view that the rule means a single transfer
However, stex in your particular case AA175 and AA61 are your friends.
Each is a direct service MIA-NRT with a stop and plane change in DFW.
But for the purpose of a Oneworld Explorer they count as a single segment
- whether the rule's wording "provided one is a transfer without without stopover" (my emphasis)
- means a single transfer of less than 24 hrs
- or multiple transfers each of which is less than 24hrs
Some have reported being allowed multiple transfers
but others have reported being refused
FWIW (very little
) I have always been of the view that the rule means a single transferHowever, stex in your particular case AA175 and AA61 are your friends.
Each is a direct service MIA-NRT with a stop and plane change in DFW.
But for the purpose of a Oneworld Explorer they count as a single segment
See, for example:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/9108367-post7.html
Sep 28, 2017, 5:25 pm
#512
Original Poster
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: used to be PER, now it's nowhere/eveywhere
Programs: QFF NB, AA GLD
Posts: 3,464
Of course for new itineraries, this whole discussion on "transfer without stopover" is moot - the current rules (see post #461) have removed the words.
And so new itineraries allow multiple flight segments on each visit to each of the allowed 2nd visit continents and stopovers can be had on each visit too.
And so new itineraries allow multiple flight segments on each visit to each of the allowed 2nd visit continents and stopovers can be had on each visit too.
Sep 28, 2017, 7:20 pm
#513
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From a plain English understanding, "a transfer" means one. Compare for clarity to "some transfers" "two transfers" "several transfers". Doesn't mean that you won't sometimes get more than one; but IMO the rule, itself, is pretty clear.
Sep 29, 2017, 5:44 pm
#515
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: RTW
Programs: AA Ex Plt
Posts: 65
Thanks to all for the clarifications. And thanks very much pandaperth for suggesting flights AA175/AA61, they are ideal to solve my routing issue. Unfortunately, at this time both flights are only active until November 28, 2017. I need to fly them in June 2018. Just spoke with AA (both RTW desk and PLT desk) and they do not know whether it will be scheduled after November 28. I am not sure if they are considered seasonal flights and whether there is a predictable timeframe for when AA will confirm or not the extension of these flights... if any of you have some insights on this, please let me know.
One more question about transfer rules. The following is copied from the "Transfers" section of xONEx fare rules retrieved from ExpertFlyer:
What is the meaning of this excerpt? I was specifically confused about the bolded parts. The way I understood it, is that you could have 2 North American domestic flights as transfers when flying back from South America... but I am probably wrong/very confused, so any insights on this would be greatly appreciated…! Thanks!
One more question about transfer rules. The following is copied from the "Transfers" section of xONEx fare rules retrieved from ExpertFlyer:
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN EUROPE
VIA AFRICA.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN JAPAN /
DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF KOREA / REPUBLIC OF KOREA/
SOUTHEAST ASIA VIA SOUTHWEST PACIFIC.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN NORTH
AMERICA VIA SOUTH AMERICA.
7 TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.
2 PERMITTED TRANSFERS BETWEEN DOMESTIC
FLIGHT AND INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT WITHIN THE
FARE ORIGIN COUNTRY WITHIN ANY NATION
1 PERMITTED TRANSFERS BETWEEN DOMESTIC
FLIGHT AND INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT IN HAWAII
7 PERMITTED IN PANAMA/CONTIGUOUS U.S.A./
CANADA/PUERTO RICO/US VIRGIN ISLANDS/ALASKA/
MEXICO/INTERNATIONAL POINTS IN THE CARIBBEAN
AREA/CENTRAL AMERICA.
VIA AFRICA.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN JAPAN /
DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF KOREA / REPUBLIC OF KOREA/
SOUTHEAST ASIA VIA SOUTHWEST PACIFIC.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN NORTH
AMERICA VIA SOUTH AMERICA.
7 TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.
2 PERMITTED TRANSFERS BETWEEN DOMESTIC
FLIGHT AND INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT WITHIN THE
FARE ORIGIN COUNTRY WITHIN ANY NATION
1 PERMITTED TRANSFERS BETWEEN DOMESTIC
FLIGHT AND INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT IN HAWAII
7 PERMITTED IN PANAMA/CONTIGUOUS U.S.A./
CANADA/PUERTO RICO/US VIRGIN ISLANDS/ALASKA/
MEXICO/INTERNATIONAL POINTS IN THE CARIBBEAN
AREA/CENTRAL AMERICA.
Oct 4, 2017, 2:16 pm
#516
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Posts: 245
Massive new section on Transfers in the Rules. There are multiple of these but this is one condition:
This is only one of the new conditions. There are many more in the same section.
I'm still trying to get my head around what the huge list of fare break points and permitted transfers means. How does an xONEx fare have fare break points and routing?
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AFRICA
VIA EUROPE.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN JAPAN /
DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF KOREA / REPUBLIC OF KOREA/
SOUTHEAST ASIA VIA SOUTHWEST PACIFIC.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN NORTH
AMERICA VIA SOUTH AMERICA.
5 TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.
NONE PERMITTED IN LIBYA
2 PERMITTED TRANSFERS BETWEEN DOMESTIC
FLIGHT AND INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT WITHIN THE
FARE ORIGIN COUNTRY WITHIN ANY NATION
5 PERMITTED IN AFRICA.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
COMPONENT PROVIDED -
FARE BREAK POINTS IN MIDDLE EAST - OTHER POINT
MIDDLE EAST/UNITED STATES - OTHER POINT CANADA/
CANADA - OTHER POINT UNITED STATES/HKG - OTHER
POINT CHINA/CHINA - OTHER POINT HKG/MALAYSIA -
OTHER POINT SIN/SIN - OTHER POINT MALAYSIA/AFRICA
- OTHER POINT AFRICA/MALDIVES - OTHER POINT SRI
LANKA/SRI LANKA - OTHER POINT MALDIVES/MALDIVES -
OTHER POINT INDIA/INDIA - OTHER POINT MALDIVES
DOMESTIC -
DESTINATION FARE BREAK POINTS.
EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
COMPONENT WITHIN AREA 1 WITHIN AREA 2 WITHIN AREA 3
BETWEEN AREA 2 AND AREA 3 BETWEEN AREA 3 AND AREA 2.
AND - 7 TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.
1 PERMITTED TRANSFERS BETWEEN DOMESTIC
FLIGHT AND INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT IN HAWAII
7 PERMITTED IN PANAMA/CONTIGUOUS U.S.A./
CANADA/PUERTO RICO/US VIRGIN ISLANDS/
ALASKA/
MEXICO/INTERNATIONAL POINTS IN THE
CARIBBEAN
AREA/CENTRAL AMERICA.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE
FARE COMPONENT PROVIDED -
FARE BREAK POINTS IN MIDDLE EAST - OTHER POINT
MIDDLE EAST/UNITED STATES - OTHER POINT CANADA/
CANADA - OTHER POINT UNITED STATES/HKG - OTHER
POINT CHINA/CHINA - OTHER POINT HKG/MALAYSIA -
OTHER POINT SIN/SIN - OTHER POINT MALAYSIA/
AFRICA
- OTHER POINT AFRICA/MALDIVES - OTHER POINT SRI
LANKA/SRI LANKA - OTHER POINT MALDIVES/MALDIVES
-
OTHER POINT INDIA/INDIA - OTHER POINT MALDIVES
DOMESTIC -
DESTINATION FARE BREAK POINTS.
EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
COMPONENT WITHIN AREA 1 WITHIN AREA 2 WITHIN
AREA 3 BETWEEN AREA 2 AND AREA 3 BETWEEN AREA 3
AND AREA 2.
AND - UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING
UNIT.
NONE PERMITTED IN PANAMA
NONE PERMITTED IN MAURITIUS/SOUTH AFRICA
2 PERMITTED AT VIA POINTS BETWEEN UNITED
KINGDOM ALBANIA/BULGARIA/CYPRUS/ALGERIA/
GREECE/CROATIA/MOROCCO/ROMANIA/RUSSIA/
TUNISIA/TURKEY/UKRAINE/MIDDLE EAST
5 PERMITTED IN LIBYA/EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST
5 PERMITTED IN SOUTH AMERICA
5 PERMITTED IN SOUTHWEST PACIFIC
5 PERMITTED IN AREA 3.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE
FARE COMPONENT PROVIDED -
FARE BREAK POINTS IN MIDDLE EAST - OTHER POINT
MIDDLE EAST/UNITED STATES - OTHER POINT CANADA/
CANADA - OTHER POINT UNITED STATES/HKG - OTHER
POINT CHINA/CHINA - OTHER POINT HKG/MALAYSIA -
OTHER POINT SIN/SIN - OTHER POINT MALAYSIA/
AFRICA
- OTHER POINT AFRICA/MALDIVES - OTHER POINT SRI
LANKA/SRI LANKA - OTHER POINT MALDIVES/MALDIVES
-
OTHER POINT INDIA/INDIA - OTHER POINT MALDIVES
DOMESTIC -
DESTINATION FARE BREAK POINTS.
EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
COMPONENT WITHIN AREA 1 WITHIN AREA 2 WITHIN
AREA 3 BETWEEN AREA 2 AND AREA 3 BETWEEN AREA 3
AND AREA 2.
AND - 4 TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.
NONE PERMITTED IN MAURITIUS/SOUTH AFRICA
1 PERMITTED AT CONNECTIONS IN JAPAN /
DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF KOREA / REPUBLIC OF
KOREA/SOUTHEAST ASIA/SOUTH ASIAN
SUBCONTINENT/RUSSIAN FEDERATION EAST OF
URALS
1 PERMITTED AT CONNECTIONS IN PANAMA/
NORTH
AMERICA/INTERNATIONAL POINTS IN THE
CARIBBEAN AREA/CENTRAL AMERICA
1 PERMITTED AT CONNECTIONS IN EUROPE
1 PERMITTED AT CONNECTIONS AT VIA POINTS
BETWEEN AFRICA AREA 1/AREA 3.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE
FARE COMPONENT PROVIDED -
FARE BREAK POINTS IN MIDDLE EAST - OTHER POINT
MIDDLE EAST/UNITED STATES - OTHER POINT CANADA/
CANADA - OTHER POINT UNITED STATES/HKG - OTHER
POINT CHINA/CHINA - OTHER POINT HKG/MALAYSIA -
OTHER POINT SIN/SIN - OTHER POINT MALAYSIA/
AFRICA
- OTHER POINT AFRICA/MALDIVES - OTHER POINT SRI
LANKA/SRI LANKA - OTHER POINT MALDIVES/MALDIVES
-
OTHER POINT INDIA/INDIA - OTHER POINT MALDIVES
DOMESTIC -
DESTINATION FARE BREAK POINTS.
EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
COMPONENT WITHIN AREA 1 WITHIN AREA 2 WITHIN
AREA 3 BETWEEN AREA 2 AND AREA 3 BETWEEN AREA 3
AND AREA 2.
VIA EUROPE.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN JAPAN /
DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF KOREA / REPUBLIC OF KOREA/
SOUTHEAST ASIA VIA SOUTHWEST PACIFIC.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN NORTH
AMERICA VIA SOUTH AMERICA.
5 TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.
NONE PERMITTED IN LIBYA
2 PERMITTED TRANSFERS BETWEEN DOMESTIC
FLIGHT AND INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT WITHIN THE
FARE ORIGIN COUNTRY WITHIN ANY NATION
5 PERMITTED IN AFRICA.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
COMPONENT PROVIDED -
FARE BREAK POINTS IN MIDDLE EAST - OTHER POINT
MIDDLE EAST/UNITED STATES - OTHER POINT CANADA/
CANADA - OTHER POINT UNITED STATES/HKG - OTHER
POINT CHINA/CHINA - OTHER POINT HKG/MALAYSIA -
OTHER POINT SIN/SIN - OTHER POINT MALAYSIA/AFRICA
- OTHER POINT AFRICA/MALDIVES - OTHER POINT SRI
LANKA/SRI LANKA - OTHER POINT MALDIVES/MALDIVES -
OTHER POINT INDIA/INDIA - OTHER POINT MALDIVES
DOMESTIC -
DESTINATION FARE BREAK POINTS.
EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
COMPONENT WITHIN AREA 1 WITHIN AREA 2 WITHIN AREA 3
BETWEEN AREA 2 AND AREA 3 BETWEEN AREA 3 AND AREA 2.
AND - 7 TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.
1 PERMITTED TRANSFERS BETWEEN DOMESTIC
FLIGHT AND INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT IN HAWAII
7 PERMITTED IN PANAMA/CONTIGUOUS U.S.A./
CANADA/PUERTO RICO/US VIRGIN ISLANDS/
ALASKA/
MEXICO/INTERNATIONAL POINTS IN THE
CARIBBEAN
AREA/CENTRAL AMERICA.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE
FARE COMPONENT PROVIDED -
FARE BREAK POINTS IN MIDDLE EAST - OTHER POINT
MIDDLE EAST/UNITED STATES - OTHER POINT CANADA/
CANADA - OTHER POINT UNITED STATES/HKG - OTHER
POINT CHINA/CHINA - OTHER POINT HKG/MALAYSIA -
OTHER POINT SIN/SIN - OTHER POINT MALAYSIA/
AFRICA
- OTHER POINT AFRICA/MALDIVES - OTHER POINT SRI
LANKA/SRI LANKA - OTHER POINT MALDIVES/MALDIVES
-
OTHER POINT INDIA/INDIA - OTHER POINT MALDIVES
DOMESTIC -
DESTINATION FARE BREAK POINTS.
EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
COMPONENT WITHIN AREA 1 WITHIN AREA 2 WITHIN
AREA 3 BETWEEN AREA 2 AND AREA 3 BETWEEN AREA 3
AND AREA 2.
AND - UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING
UNIT.
NONE PERMITTED IN PANAMA
NONE PERMITTED IN MAURITIUS/SOUTH AFRICA
2 PERMITTED AT VIA POINTS BETWEEN UNITED
KINGDOM ALBANIA/BULGARIA/CYPRUS/ALGERIA/
GREECE/CROATIA/MOROCCO/ROMANIA/RUSSIA/
TUNISIA/TURKEY/UKRAINE/MIDDLE EAST
5 PERMITTED IN LIBYA/EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST
5 PERMITTED IN SOUTH AMERICA
5 PERMITTED IN SOUTHWEST PACIFIC
5 PERMITTED IN AREA 3.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE
FARE COMPONENT PROVIDED -
FARE BREAK POINTS IN MIDDLE EAST - OTHER POINT
MIDDLE EAST/UNITED STATES - OTHER POINT CANADA/
CANADA - OTHER POINT UNITED STATES/HKG - OTHER
POINT CHINA/CHINA - OTHER POINT HKG/MALAYSIA -
OTHER POINT SIN/SIN - OTHER POINT MALAYSIA/
AFRICA
- OTHER POINT AFRICA/MALDIVES - OTHER POINT SRI
LANKA/SRI LANKA - OTHER POINT MALDIVES/MALDIVES
-
OTHER POINT INDIA/INDIA - OTHER POINT MALDIVES
DOMESTIC -
DESTINATION FARE BREAK POINTS.
EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
COMPONENT WITHIN AREA 1 WITHIN AREA 2 WITHIN
AREA 3 BETWEEN AREA 2 AND AREA 3 BETWEEN AREA 3
AND AREA 2.
AND - 4 TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.
NONE PERMITTED IN MAURITIUS/SOUTH AFRICA
1 PERMITTED AT CONNECTIONS IN JAPAN /
DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF KOREA / REPUBLIC OF
KOREA/SOUTHEAST ASIA/SOUTH ASIAN
SUBCONTINENT/RUSSIAN FEDERATION EAST OF
URALS
1 PERMITTED AT CONNECTIONS IN PANAMA/
NORTH
AMERICA/INTERNATIONAL POINTS IN THE
CARIBBEAN AREA/CENTRAL AMERICA
1 PERMITTED AT CONNECTIONS IN EUROPE
1 PERMITTED AT CONNECTIONS AT VIA POINTS
BETWEEN AFRICA AREA 1/AREA 3.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE
FARE COMPONENT PROVIDED -
FARE BREAK POINTS IN MIDDLE EAST - OTHER POINT
MIDDLE EAST/UNITED STATES - OTHER POINT CANADA/
CANADA - OTHER POINT UNITED STATES/HKG - OTHER
POINT CHINA/CHINA - OTHER POINT HKG/MALAYSIA -
OTHER POINT SIN/SIN - OTHER POINT MALAYSIA/
AFRICA
- OTHER POINT AFRICA/MALDIVES - OTHER POINT SRI
LANKA/SRI LANKA - OTHER POINT MALDIVES/MALDIVES
-
OTHER POINT INDIA/INDIA - OTHER POINT MALDIVES
DOMESTIC -
DESTINATION FARE BREAK POINTS.
EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
COMPONENT WITHIN AREA 1 WITHIN AREA 2 WITHIN
AREA 3 BETWEEN AREA 2 AND AREA 3 BETWEEN AREA 3
AND AREA 2.
I'm still trying to get my head around what the huge list of fare break points and permitted transfers means. How does an xONEx fare have fare break points and routing?
Oct 4, 2017, 2:51 pm
#517
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: London
Posts: 17,007
Massive new section on Transfers in the Rules. There are multiple of these but this is one condition:
This is only one of the new conditions. There are many more in the same section.
I'm still trying to get my head around what the huge list of fare break points and permitted transfers means. How does an xONEx fare have fare break points and routing?
This is only one of the new conditions. There are many more in the same section.
I'm still trying to get my head around what the huge list of fare break points and permitted transfers means. How does an xONEx fare have fare break points and routing?
The xONEx product allows the start and end cities to differ. This is only allowed domestically and between certain countries. But all the fares are published as XXX-XXX (i.e., back to the same city). So to get around that, formally speaking you have a surface sector at the end of your itinerary joining the finally visited city with the fare destination. This is called a “fare break surface sector” because it occurs at a fare break point. Fare break surface sectors are usually disallowed because they increase the complexity of itinerary pricing so much if you have to consider fares for non-visited cities as part of your pricing calculation. Nonetheless, they are required here.
The xONEx product also has very unusual transfer allowances (a certain number in each continent, you can go through the same city multiple times but only fly the same pair of cities once in the same direction): again, because it is unusual, there is no short cut in the ATPCO language, it all has to be expressed explicitly.
So that’s why it’s so long and incomprehensible.
I have no doubt it is full of exploitable mistakes, if someone looks carefully enough.
Last edited by Calchas; Oct 4, 2017 at 3:10 pm
Oct 5, 2017, 12:40 am
#518
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: LAX/SYD
Programs: BA GGL/CCR, AA EXP, QFF WP, HH D, SPG G, Hertz PC
Posts: 245
This was inserted some time ago (a few months at least) to allow Sabre to autoprice xONEx itineraries. It is in APTCO language. The rules are generated by a computer, for another computer to read. They are not intended to be human readable.
The xONEx product allows the start and end cities to differ. This is only allowed domestically and between certain countries. But all the fares are published as XXX-XXX (i.e., back to the same city). So to get around that, formally speaking you have a surface sector at the end of your itinerary joining the finally visited city with the fare destination. This is called a “fare break surface sector” because it occurs at a fare break point. Fare break surface sectors are usually disallowed because they increase the complexity of itinerary pricing so much if you have to consider fares for non-visited cities as part of your pricing calculation. Nonetheless, they are required here.
The xONEx product also has very unusual transfer allowances (a certain number in each continent, you can go through the same city multiple times but only fly the same pair of cities once in the same direction): again, because it is unusual, there is no short cut in the ATPCO language, it all has to be expressed explicitly.
So that’s why it’s so long and incomprehensible.
I have no doubt it is full of exploitable mistakes, if someone looks carefully enough.
The xONEx product allows the start and end cities to differ. This is only allowed domestically and between certain countries. But all the fares are published as XXX-XXX (i.e., back to the same city). So to get around that, formally speaking you have a surface sector at the end of your itinerary joining the finally visited city with the fare destination. This is called a “fare break surface sector” because it occurs at a fare break point. Fare break surface sectors are usually disallowed because they increase the complexity of itinerary pricing so much if you have to consider fares for non-visited cities as part of your pricing calculation. Nonetheless, they are required here.
The xONEx product also has very unusual transfer allowances (a certain number in each continent, you can go through the same city multiple times but only fly the same pair of cities once in the same direction): again, because it is unusual, there is no short cut in the ATPCO language, it all has to be expressed explicitly.
So that’s why it’s so long and incomprehensible.
I have no doubt it is full of exploitable mistakes, if someone looks carefully enough.
If it's just to codify for autopricing then that's fine.
Nov 4, 2017, 1:32 am
#520
Original Poster
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: used to be PER, now it's nowhere/eveywhere
Programs: QFF NB, AA GLD
Posts: 3,464
2017-Oct-30 New Version of the Rule Sheet (Minor Changes only)
2017-Oct-30 New Version of the Rule Sheet (Minor Changes only)
Using diffchecker, the only changes appear to be:
Using diffchecker, the only changes appear to be:
- An improved (IMHO) look to the rule sheet
- The removal of Air Berlin (it has gone bust)
- In Section 5 Reservations and Ticketing:
has been changed toReservations for the first overwater flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure.
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure. - Various minor editing (for example "&" changed to "and"; "First class" changed to "First Class")
Nov 4, 2017, 2:38 am
#521
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: London, UK
Programs: AA 2MM - PLT, BA GGL, SPG Plat, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 6,221
2017-Oct-30 New Version of the Rule Sheet (Minor Changes only)
Using diffchecker, the only changes appear to be:
Using diffchecker, the only changes appear to be:
- An improved (IMHO) look to the rule sheet
- The removal of Air Berlin (it has gone bust)
- In Section 5 Reservations and Ticketing:
has been changed to - Various minor editing (for example "&" changed to "and"; "First class" changed to "First Class")
Jan 4, 2018, 7:23 am
#522
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: Rio de Janeiro, BRAZIL
Programs: AA 4MM EXP; Starwood Lifetime Plt
Posts: 2,498
Are the following rules about no stop-over still on the books: 1) upon second entry in North America coming from South America, 2) upon second entry in Europe coming from South Africa?
Jan 5, 2018, 2:51 pm
#523
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: Rio de Janeiro, BRAZIL
Programs: AA 4MM EXP; Starwood Lifetime Plt
Posts: 2,498
I can now answer my own question, at least about North America. I tried making a new booking with the AA around the world desk. It contains two entries to North America: one from HND and the other from GIG. Two different agents, both of whom I knew from previous interactions, insisted that one of these entries would have to be without stop-over. Finally, I asked one of them to check with the rate desk and the answer that came back was something like ‘we have to allow two stop-overs because of the wording of the rule’. From that, I conclude that the current version of the rule is the one given in post #461 above.
Jan 6, 2018, 8:36 am
#524
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: London
Posts: 17,007
Code:
E. ONLY ONE INTERCONTINENTAL DEPARTURE AND ONE
INTERCONTINENTAL ARRIVAL PERMITTED IN EACH
CONTINENT EXCEPT AS FOLLOWS -
1. TWO PERMITTED IN NORTH AMERICA.
2. TWO PERMITTED IN ASIA WHEN ONE IS FOR TRAVEL
BETWEEN THE SOUTHWEST PACIFIC AND
EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST.
3. TWO PERMITTED IN EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST FOR
TRAVEL TO/FROM/VIA AFRICA. IF TRAVEL IS
TO/FROM EUROPE IN BOTH DIRECTIONS ITINERARY
MAY NOT INCLUDE MAURITIUS/SOUTH AFRICA.
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I can now answer my own question, at least about North America. I tried making a new booking with the AA around the world desk. It contains two entries to North America: one from HND and the other from GIG. Two different agents, both of whom I knew from previous interactions, insisted that one of these entries would have to be without stop-over. Finally, I asked one of them to check with the rate desk and the answer that came back was something like ‘we have to allow two stop-overs because of the wording of the rule’. From that, I conclude that the current version of the rule is the one given in post #461 above.
Code:
F.ONLY ONE INTERNATIONAL DEPARTURE AND ONE
INTERNATIONAL ARRIVAL TO/FROM THE COUNTRY OF
ORIGIN PERMITTED - EXCEPTION TWO PERMITTED FOR
ORIGIN USA WHEN ONE ARRIVAL/DEPARTURE IS A
TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER.
NOTE - TRAVEL BETWEEN US AND CANADA IS NOT
COUNTED AS INTERNATIONAL.
NOTE - NO MORE THAN 4 INTERNATIONAL TRANSFERS
FROM THE ONE COUNTRY PERMITTED.
Feb 5, 2018, 7:23 am
#525
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: LAX/SYD
Programs: BA GGL/CCR, AA EXP, QFF WP, HH D, SPG G, Hertz PC
Posts: 245
Is it just something I missed or has a very large MPM routing table been added to the xONEx fares? I was looking at the routing page in EF for the xONEx fare ex-JNB and discovered a massive MPM table with 499 options!
