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Originally Posted by uncertaintraveler
(Post 9215615)
I'm a little fuzzy on the rules, but are you allowed to "backtrack" on a Circle Pacific ticket?
Namely, would LAX-HKG-SIN-BKK-SYD-LAX (or vice-versa) be allowed? |
The Oneworld rules tend to be a lot simpler than for Skyteam and Star products.
About the only routing rule on Circle Pacific is the need to cross both the north and south pacific (and those are defined as separated by the equator, so no strange geography issues) and to stay on Oneworld airlines. The mileage limit is enough to limit creative routings. Your route is 21,873 miles for LAX-HKG-SIN-BKK-SYD-LAX |
Originally Posted by number_6
(Post 9215716)
The Oneworld rules tend to be a lot simpler than for Skyteam and Star products.
About the only routing rule on Circle Pacific is the need to cross both the north and south pacific (and those are defined as separated by the equator, so no strange geography issues) and to stay on Oneworld airlines. |
Originally Posted by dieuwer2
(Post 9216804)
Does this include codeshares?
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Originally Posted by number_6
(Post 9215716)
The Oneworld rules tend to be a lot simpler than for Skyteam and Star products.
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Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
(Post 9217083)
:confused: *A circle pacific has the same lack of backtracking rule.
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The UA & NZ economy surcharges are for premium economy. OW has the same kinds of surcharges for premium economy.
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Yes I know. The key word there was plethora, which makes it much more tedious to arrange a RTW trip on *A; thus making number_6's comment "The Oneworld rules tend to be a lot simpler than for Skyteam and Star products." oh so true.
oneworld surcharges World Traveller Plus option - Economy class Passengers may travel in BA World Traveller Plus cabin for an additional charge of USD300/AUD600 per flight segment. EXCEPTION: For direct flights between LONMEL and LONSYD the charge will be USD450/AUD900 per flight segment. Identify as a -Q- in the fare calculation. Child/infant discounts apply. for tickets not issued in USD/AUD convert the USD amount at the BSR. EXCEPTION: For tickets issued in NZD, convert the AUD amount. Security, carrier and insurance surcharges (Q, YQ and/or YR) have to be added to the fare where applicable. A. AC Business Class on B777: The surcharge of USD250 will be added to B777 Business Class RTW passengers. The surcharge must be reflected as a Q surcharge after the applicable sector. No surcharge applies for passengers paying first class RTW fares. AC Business class RTW passengers may travel in Economy class without surcharge. No refund will apply. Children pay the full Business Class surcharge on B777. B. SK Economy Extra surcharge: SK Economy Extra is available for passengers paying Economy Class RTW fares at a surcharge of USD500. The surcharge must be reflected as a Q-surcharge after the applicable sector. No surcharge applies for passengers paying First/Business class RTW fares. Children pay the full Economy Extra surcharge. SK Economy Extra is booked in S class. C. NZ Pacific Premium Economy upgrade surcharge on AKL-LON/LAX/SFO/YVR and vv AKL/CHC-NRT and vv AKL-HKG and vv AKL/CHC-KIX and vv LAX/HKG-LON and vv AKL-SHA and vv AKL-SYD/MEL/BNE and vv NZ Pacific Premium Economy is available for passengers paying Economy RTW fare at the following surcharges: USD125 for AKL-SYD/MEL/BNE and USD350 for all other sectors booked in E class. USD170 for AKL-SYD/MEL/BNE and USD500 for all other sectors booked in U class. Child discounts do not apply. Infant discounts do apply. The surcharge must be reflected as a Q-surcharge after the applicable sector. No surcharge applies for passengers paying First/Business Class RTW fares. For the purpose of this rule the following are considered two sectors AKL-LON and vv (i.e. AKL-LAX/LAX-LHR or AKLHKG/ HKG-LHR), MEL-LAX/SFO and vv (i.e. MEL-AKL/AKL-LAX/SFO) and BNE-LAX/SFO and vv (i.e. BNEAKL/ AKL-LAX/SFO). D. TG Royal Silk/Premium Economy surcharge on non-stop BKK-NYC v.v. and BKK-LAX v.v. transpacific services TG794/795 operated by A345. The surcharge will be added to Business and Economy Class RTW passengers travelling on A345 non-stop services as follows: Adult Child Infant Business Class USD 500 375 50 Premium Economy Class USD 300 225 30 The surcharge must be reflected as a Q-surcharge after the applicable sector. No surcharge applies for passengers paying first class RTW fares. Business class RTW passenger may travel on Premium Economy without surcharge. No refund will apply. TG Royal Silk is booked in C class and Premium Economy class is booked in U class. E. SQ Business Plus/SQ Economy Plus surcharge on A345 non-stop SIN-LAX/EWR and vv services: The surcharges below will apply to Business and Economy Class RTW passengers travelling on the following A345 non-stop trans-Pacific services. SIN-LAX and vv SQ37/38 SIN-EWR and vv SQ21/22 A345 Surcharges SIN – LAX and vv Adult Child Infant Business Class USD500 USD375 USD50 Economy Class USD100 USD75 USD10 SIN – EWR and vv Adult Child Infant Business Class USD700 USD525 USD70 Economy Class USD100 USD75 USD10 The surcharge amount must be reflected as a Q surcharge after the SIN-LAX/EWR and vv. sectors. The surcharge will not apply to First Class RTW passengers. Business Class RTW passenger may travel on Economy Plus without surcharge. No refund will apply. SQ Business Plus surcharge on B773ER/A380 services. The surcharge below will be levied on Business Class RTW passengers travelling on the following SQ B773ER/A380 services. The surcharge will not apply to First Class RTW passengers. B773ER Services SIN-HKG and vv SQ862/SQ861 SIN-SEL and vv SQ016/SQ015 SIN-PAR and vv SQ334/SQ333 SIN-MIL and vv SQ378/SQ377 SIN-BCN and vv SQ378/SQ377 SIN-FRA and vv SQ325/SQ326 SIN-ZRH and vv SQ346/SQ345 SIN-SFO and vv SQ016/SQ015 SEL-SFO and vv SQ016/SQ015 SIN-PAR and vv SQ332/SQ331 SIN-MEL and vv SQ217/SQ218 A380 Services SIN-SYD and vv SQ221/SQ220 B773ER Surcharges Sector Flight Number Surcharge per sector SIN-HKG and vv SQ862/SQ861 USD300 per sector SIN-SEL and vv SQ016/SQ015 USD300 per sector SIN-PAR and vv SQ334/SQ333 USD500 per sector SIN-PAR and vv SQ332/SQ331 USD500 per sector SIN-MIL and vv SQ378/SQ377 USD500 per sector SIN-BCN and vv SQ378/SQ377 USD500 per sector SIN-FRA and vv SQ326/SQ325 USD500 per sector SIN-ZRH and vv SQ346/SQ345 USD500 per sector SIN-SFO and vv SQ016/SQ015 USD600 per sector SEL-SFO and vv SQ016/SQ015 USD500 per sector SIN-MEL and vv SQ217/SQ218 USD400 per sector A380 Surcharges Sector Flight Number Surcharge per sector SIN-SYD and vv SQ221/SQ220 USD400 per sector The surcharge amount must be reflected as a Q surcharge after the B773ER/A380 sector. The surcharge will not apply to First Class RTW passengers. Infants not occupying a seat – No charge. Infants occupying a seat - No discount. No other discounts apply. A. Fares apply on any Star Alliance members flight: AC/BD/CA/FM/JK/JP/KF/LH/LO/LX/NH/NZ/OS/OU/OZ/ SA/SK(BU*SK)/SQ/TG/TP/UA/US flight. Exception: fares do not apply on: AC flights: 4000-4519 / 7200-7649 / 9390-9399 / 9580-9589 / 9830-9849 / 9970-9999 BD flights: 2600-2699 / 2900-2999 / 4950-4969 / 4990-4999 CA flights: 1151-1200 / 3005-3006 / 3007-3070 / 3411-3440 / 3601-3610 / 4075-4098 / 4600-4999 / 6501- 6650 / 6751-6800 / 7021-7030 FM flights: 001-800 / 851-9049 / 9550-9999 JK flights: 9851-9899 / 9951-9999 JP flights: 9000-9999 LH flights: 1600-1639 / 1670-1699 / 2080-2165 / 2178-2199 / 2434-2445 / 2680-2717 / 5970-5999 / 6870- 6949 / 9460-9549 / 9654-9683 / 9824-9853. Airrail services FRA-QKL vv and FRA-ZWS vv permitted. Other trains/buses not permitted. LO flights: 5133-5134 / 5235-5238 / 5675-5678 / 5701-5702 / 5753-5754. LX flights: 3000-3239 / 3500-3549 / 4080-4129 / 4150-4199 / 4220-4239 / 4260-4299 / 4310-4379 / 4400- 4499 / 4520-4579 / 4600-4639 / 4800-9999 (Trains / Buses not permitted). NH flights: 5650-5700 / 5851-5900 / 6600-6649 NZ flights: 4000-4099 / 4200-4249 / 4950-4999 OS flights: 7001-7030 / 7041-7050 / 7061-7200 / 8051-8140 / 8681-8710 OU flights: 5350-5351 / 5600-5649 OZ flights: 3035-3045 / 6075-6085 /6501-6550 / 6701-6760 / 6801-6899 SA flights: 1000-1999 / 7000-7212 / 7217-7220 / 7241-7273 / 7290-7399 / 7670-7699 / 7702-7849 / 7900- 7990 /7994-7995 / 7999 / 8000-8999 SK flights: 3100-3149 / 6400-6449 / 6700-6999 / 8000-8299 / 8670-8717 / 9550-9599 SQ flights: 1000-1026 / 1029-1036 / 1038-1045 / 1047-1071 / 1076-1999 / 2500-2576 / 3000-5750 / 5753- 5900 / 5913-5914 / 5917-5931 / 5936-5946 / 5982-5999 / 7000-7999 / 9000-9999. TG flights: 3002-3003 / 3102-3103 / 3106-3109 / 3112-3113 / 3122-3129 / 3134-3135 / 3144-3145 / 3198- 3199 / 4482-4485 / 4500-4501 / 4543-4546 / 4560-4563 / 4651-4656 / 4702-4709 / 4786-4789 / 4901- 4904 / 6650-6653 / 6804-6805/ 6832-6833 / 6900-6903 / 6905-6906 / 6908-6909 / 6912-6914 / 6922- 6927 / 6929-6931 / 6932-6935 / 6945 / 7202-7203 / 7504-7505 / 7532-7533 TP flights: 6000-6049 / 6070-6089 / 6500-6669 / 7180-7299 / 8195-8209 / 8225-8324 / 8770-8879 / 9240-9499 / 9650-9670 UA flights: 3900-4569 / 4700-4749 / 4900-5199 / 5700-5799 / 9435-9464 / 9501-9515 / 9593-9669 / 9756-9784 US flights: 5570-5599 / 8000-8799 B. Travel must include only one Trans Atlantic (between area 1 and area 2) crossing and only one Trans Pacific (between area 1 and area 3) crossing. Such intercontinental sector may be a surface sector provided the mileage for such sector is included in the mileage calculation. C. Not more than one crossing may be permitted between Area 2 and Area 3 in an entire journey. For the purpose of this rule, SVX is to be considered part of area 2. E. For the purpose of this rule the following flights using the polar route are to be considered as Trans Pacific flights: AC1/2 YYZ-NRT and vv AC15/16 YYZ-HKG and vv AC31/32 YYZ-PEK and v.v. AC37/38 YYZ-PVG and vv AC65/66 YYZ-ICN and vv SQ37/38 SIN-LAX and v.v. SQ21/22 SIN-EWR and v.v. TG792/793 BKK-JFK and v.v. |
It is just a different approach. OW lists which codeshares are valid - all others are not. *A lists which codeshares are invalid - all others are.
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Thinking of doing an ACIR22 Ex MNL.
Would like to get F on all sectors (Except AUs domestic)so does require some backtracking through HKG and SYD MNL-HKG-SYD-MEL-SYD-LAX-NRT-PVG-HKG-MNL Also does anyone know how much additional stopovers are (ie after the first 4 freebies)? |
It's in the fare rules on the oneworld web site.
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8. PERMITTED STOPOVERS A. Free: 22,000 miles – minimum two maximum four free stopovers permitted 26,000 miles – minimum two maximum five free stopovers permitted 29,000 miles – minimum two maximum six free stopovers permitted NOTES: i) Only one stopover permitted at any point. ii) Two stopovers required outside country of origin. iii) A maximum of one stopover in country of origin iv) A maximum of two free stopovers per region (SWP / Asia / North America / South America) v) Where a passenger disembarks at one point and re-embarks at a subsequent point enroute, the points count as a single stopover B. Additional: Permitted at an additional charge per stopover of USD75.00/CAD115.00 NOTES: i) Additional stopovers may not be purchased in country of origin. ii) Additional stopovers restricted to two stopovers per region iii) Child /infant discount not applicable |
Originally Posted by AN_Boy
(Post 9896955)
Thinking of doing an ACIR22 Ex MNL.
Would like to get F on all sectors (Except AUs domestic)so does require some backtracking through HKG and SYD MNL-HKG-SYD-MEL-SYD-LAX-NRT-PVG-HKG-MNL Also does anyone know how much additional stopovers are (ie after the first 4 freebies)? Which are stopovers and which are transits? I assume MEL-SYD-LAX is a transit in SYD? (AFAIK, you can't stopover in the same place twice, even if you buy additional stopovers). ********** 8. PERMITTED STOPOVERS A. Free: 22,000 miles – minimum two maximum four free stopovers permitted 26,000 miles – minimum two maximum five free stopovers permitted 29,000 miles – minimum two maximum six free stopovers permitted NOTES: i) Only one stopover permitted at any point. ii) Two stopovers required outside country of origin. iii) A maximum of one stopover in country of origin iv) A maximum of two free stopovers per region (SWP / Asia / North America / South America) v) Where a passenger disembarks at one point and re-embarks at a subsequent point enroute, the points count as a single stopover B. Additional: Permitted at an additional charge per stopover of USD75.00/CAD115.00 NOTES: i) Additional stopovers may not be purchased in country of origin. ii) Additional stopovers restricted to two stopovers per region iii) Child /infant discount not applicable |
Originally Posted by tt7
(Post 9897148)
Which are stopovers and which are transits? I assume MEL-SYD-LAX is a transit in SYD? (AFAIK, you can't stopover in the same place twice, even if you buy additional stopovers).
Was planning on doing SYD twice as a stop, so think I will just drop the MEL leg. |
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