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Stefan Daystrom Dec 15, 2007 11:54 am


Originally Posted by chiliyo (Post 8879015)
KEF is ONLY served by FI and FI Exp. Iceland is the only country in the world that has only ONE airline this is regardless of what the KEF airport website tells you.

No other carrier wants to fly there , therefore FI treats their customers like cattle or worse !!!

Numerous times I was stuck at KEF to the point that I quit a project doing because of NO options of getting there/out of there on any other carrier but FI.

I can't judge who "wants" to fly there, but SAS definitely does, in fact during the winter (as in I was able to pull up their CPH-KEF (as a "random" test) timetable for today right now, and it shows they fly to kef from ARN and OSL each once or twice a day.

(And meanwhile, BA certaiinly flies to both ARN and OSL daily, so if they "wanted" they could connect you to KEF.)

So while the KEF airport website may have inaccuracies, your post cllaiming no one flies to KEF besides IcelandAir is completely wrong. Perhaps no one else flies there longhaul, but that's not what you said. Perhaps no one who partners with a OneWorld airline flies there, but that's not what you said.

(I suspect that if I checked other airlines listed there, I would find more, but I picked SAS because I know of their commitment to "secondary" airports in Sandinavian countries and of their "refusal" to route everyone through only one hub in one country. :) )

free101girl Dec 30, 2007 5:00 pm

More Iceland Problems
 
Well, we thought we were safe on our Iceland segments, since we were traveling by BA in mid-March. Nope. Yesterday we got a notice that BA had canceled our flights.

Turns out they are substituting smaller aircraft without a business class section, and since we have J tickets, they simply canceled our tickets! We weren't even moved to Y. (I would have asked for our money back anyway as I'm not paying for J and flying in Y.)

Nice. Fortunately we'd purchased the tickets separately from our AONE4, so it doesn't cause us a huge problem -- we're just skipping Iceland on this trip. But I think BA handled this badly.

og Dec 30, 2007 5:14 pm


Originally Posted by free101girl (Post 8975735)
Turns out they are substituting smaller aircraft without a business class section, and since we have J tickets, they simply canceled our tickets! We weren't even moved to Y. (I would have asked for our money back anyway as I'm not paying for J and flying in Y.)

Looks like a 752 in an all WHY configuration is operating LGW-KEF (at least for the 2 days that I checked in February). Surely BA could just book you onto that aircraft if you tell them that you were originally confirmed in J? Since it has many more seats than the 734 that normally is seen, there shouldn't be a problem getting on. I wouldn't abandon a trip to Iceland just for this reason.

Dave Noble Dec 30, 2007 5:31 pm


Originally Posted by free101girl (Post 8975735)

Turns out they are substituting smaller aircraft without a business class section, and since we have J tickets, they simply canceled our tickets! We weren't even moved to Y. (I would have asked for our money back anyway as I'm not paying for J and flying in Y.)

Nice. Fortunately we'd purchased the tickets separately from our AONE4, so it doesn't cause us a huge problem -- we're just skipping Iceland on this trip. But I think BA handled this badly.

Im confused; how did BA handle it badly?

By your admission, they gave you exactly what you would have wanted given the cancellation since you wouldn't want to pay a business fare and fly in economy; if you are happy to fly in economy ( and I don't think that economy is much worse than business on the short haul routes given that they are the convertible seats) you can happily rebook at the cheapest appropriate economy fare


Dave

free101girl Dec 30, 2007 5:32 pm


Originally Posted by og (Post 8975777)
Looks like a 752 in an all WHY configuration is operating LGW-KEF (at least for the 2 days that I checked in February). Surely BA could just book you onto that aircraft if you tell them that you were originally confirmed in J? Since it has many more seats than the 734 that normally is seen, there shouldn't be a problem getting on. I wouldn't abandon a trip to Iceland just for this reason.

I'm sure if we requested it, they would have booked us onto the new aircraft in Y. But we don't fly in Y if we can possibly avoid it, and besides, we paid for J. (Even if we were willing to fly Y, the price has since gone up and we'd get no refund for the downgrade.)

We'll have to visit Iceland on another trip.

free101girl Dec 30, 2007 5:38 pm


Originally Posted by Dave Noble (Post 8975838)
Im confused; how did BA handle it badly?

They handled it badly in that they simply canceled our tickets and sent us an e-mailed notice stating that our FLIGHT had been canceled, with no further information and no alternatives offered. Why didn't they call us and explain our options?

The e-mail ended up in my spam folder and I could easily have missed it. Further, if I had been an inexperienced flyer who really needed to make that flight, I would have been panicked, because I would have thought the flight was no longer available, when in fact it was only J that was unavailable.

Oh well, all's well that ends well.

Dave Noble Dec 30, 2007 5:54 pm


Originally Posted by free101girl (Post 8975869)
They handled it badly in that they simply canceled our tickets and sent us an e-mailed notice stating that our FLIGHT had been canceled, with no further information and no alternatives offered. Why didn't they call us and explain our options?

Well, it does state on the BA site that the email address will be used to inform about flight changes if you provide one



Originally Posted by free101girl (Post 8975869)
The e-mail ended up in my spam folder and I could easily have missed it.

To be fair, if you gave BA an email address to communicate to you with, it is hardly their problem if you have it go to a spam folder

Dave

serfty Dec 30, 2007 11:18 pm

I't seems an email address was provided as a cancellation notice was sent.

The question as to how BA "Handled this Badly" is, as promoted by free101girl, "They handled it badly in that they simply canceled our tickets and sent us an e-mailed notice stating that our FLIGHT had been canceled, with no further information and no alternatives offered.".

BA could have handled this situation better by ensuring an email was sent informing of the change and offering options, rather than simply canceling and sending an email to that effect.

Viajero Dec 30, 2007 11:40 pm


Originally Posted by serfty (Post 8977058)
I't seems an email address was provided as a cancellation notice was sent...

I understood Dave's comment as a response to free101girl questioning why BA did not call them to explain their options. It seems that if you opt for email contact that is precisely what you get, no more no less.

serfty Dec 31, 2007 12:11 am

I understood that as well.

What I was basically referring to was that BA could have made better use of the available e-mail facility.

illinifan Dec 31, 2007 11:20 pm


Originally Posted by Viajero (Post 8977110)
I understood Dave's comment as a response to free101girl questioning why BA did not call them to explain their options. It seems that if you opt for email contact that is precisely what you get, no more no less.

If they had her phone number, a follow up phone call would have helped. Otherwise, more explanation in the email and options would have been useful.

Krakajax Jan 1, 2008 12:25 am

So
 


First, the OP AAlot got 5 Plat tix from AA.

BA is AA partner via OneWorld. So what?
AA isn't responsible for BA schedule changes, delays
or route or flight cancellations. DUH.

I don't see BA becoming directly involved with what now is
essentially business between an AA customer getting AA stock cut
tix for partner flights to KEF on route that no longer exist via BA.

Since theere are NO other OneWorld partner carriers flying KEF
or other Iceland town, I think OP is out of luck unless OP can get
AA to pay for the 5 tix on Icelandair, which I seriously doubt
they'll do.

If they're PAID (cash bought tix) then certainly OP is entitled to
a full refund.

If AWARD tix then the option would be return of
mileage used for "purchase," refund of any taxes/fees paid, and
perhaps some other type of non-cash compensation.

Airlines have a right to discontinue service on routes if they so choose
as necessary with limited notice.

Air Canada did the same with direct Heathrow-St. Johns Newfoundland
route, forcing Europeans planning summer vacations in Newfoundland
to fly into Halifax NS and transfer there, adding $$ and at least 2 hours
each direction.

If it's a trip into the Arctic you want, why not fly to Winnipeg and head
to Churchill. Manitoba and see the polar bears up close and personal...
you'll surely see a hell of alot more there than Iceland with towns hundreds
of miles apart with NO public transportation...

Again, you can "blow smoke from your stack", but I just don't see
AA buying 5 tix on a carrier NOT THEIR PARTNER.-- (i could see MAYBE 2).

Again OP's beef is with AA Not BA. Up to AA to get them there or Not.
Most likely, it's NOT going to happen.

I just don't see OP winning "their way" even if they gets a lawyer involved.

These kind of changes/cancellations, unexpected and unforeseen events
including delays etc is WHY there's a thing called TRIP/TRAVEL INSURANCE.

DUH.


Dave Noble Jan 1, 2008 12:50 am


Originally Posted by serfty (Post 8977172)
I understood that as well.

What I was basically referring to was that BA could have made better use of the available e-mail facility.

I also felt that to say that they didn't handle it well when what BA did do was exactly what the passenger would have wanted in the situation was a tad unfait; I cannot see that they handled it that badly ; maybe they could have done more but overall the OP was given exactly what they would have asked for

Dave

Viajero Jan 1, 2008 9:57 am


Originally Posted by illinifan (Post 8982257)
If they had her phone number, a follow up phone call would have helped. Otherwise, more explanation in the email and options would have been useful.

I don't disagree with that.

It's probably a matter of expectations and experience. I have never received an email or a telephone call from AA, not once, and they have my email and telephone number. All I get is a "There has been a change in your itinerary, please contact AA" notice when and if I retrieve the PNR to check on aa.com. If I don't login and check I find out nothing, until check-in. So, thanks to wise advice read in the AA forum years ago I check aa.com very often. Could AA do more? Sure. Do they handle it badly? Not in my book.


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