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DONEx Question: Aussie transcon policy?
Hi guys,
I'm being told different confusing things about how DRW fits into the one-transcontinental-flight-in-Oz limit on a DONE4. The Oneworld website says: "Within Australia only one flight is permitted... between Darwin or Brisbane and Melbourne or Sydney" (that's too many "ands" and "ors" for me to decipher, for a start :confused:) but elsewhere, I've seen the condition refer only to flights to or from PER, not DRW. Sooo... can I fly SYD-DRW-SYD or not? Another furphy that keeps cropping up is the rumour that you can't pass through your continental point of arrival more than once. That can't be true! Again, the Oneworld site says: "You may travel around as you wish within a continent (there are no backtracking limitations as long as you do not go back to the origin point)..." Surely this only applies to the continent of origin, not subsequent continents...? [P.S. Does anyone have a copy of the actual detailed fare rules? The links I've found so far have all been bad...] |
Certainly more than one DRW-MEL/SYD segment is out.
Here: oneworld Explorer rule sheet for the rules and and here: Fare Estimate for xONEx fares from different countries. |
Originally Posted by Zeffer
(Post 8198567)
"You may travel around as you wish within a continent (there are no backtracking limitations as long as you do not go back to the origin point)..." Surely this only applies to the continent of origin, not subsequent continents...?
But yes, the whole thing is poorly written. In fact I would read "between Darwin or Brisbane and Melbourne or Sydney" as "DRW/BNE - MEL/SYD", which is actually wrong since you are not restricted to only one BNE - SYD flight. |
Thanks heaps guys!
Serfty, you're a legend for providing the actual pdf of the rules... and Alan in CBR, thanks for clarifying an impenetrable piece of gobbledegook. We're in agreement about the awful wording on the transcon rule, given that there are no restrictions on BNE-MEL/SYD. |
Moreover, the bit about not going back through the origin is also rubbish - that restriction was removed from the rules at least a year ago.
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christep, do you mean that the bit about not going through the point of origin within each continent is rubbish? ...or that we're allowed to pass through our city of departure? i thought the former was true but not the latter :confused:
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Originally Posted by Zeffer
(Post 8201827)
christep, do you mean that the bit about not going through the point of origin within each continent is rubbish? ...or that we're allowed to pass through our city of departure? i thought the former was true but not the latter :confused:
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Sweet, thanks guys.
Sorry... I'm still confused about one last point. The rule is written ambiguously. Can I fly SYD-PER-DRW-SYD? In other words, are we allowed one flight between BNE/CNS/SYD/MEL-PER and one flight between MEL/SYD–DRW, or are we only permitted to select one flight from ANY of those routes? |
Originally Posted by Zeffer
(Post 8204813)
...Can I fly SYD-PER-DRW-SYD?...
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Originally Posted by Zeffer
... Can I fly SYD-PER-DRW-SYD? ...
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Originally Posted by Zeffer
(Post 8204813)
Can I fly SYD-PER-DRW-SYD?
In other words, are we allowed one flight between BNE/CNS/SYD/MEL-PER and one flight between MEL/SYD–DRW, or are we only permitted to select one flight from ANY of those routes? I've never tried it, so I'll assume the other two are right. Anyone actually done it? |
I do not think SYD-PER-DRW-SYD is allowed. It has 2 flights on the limit 1 transcon list.
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Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
(Post 8205786)
I do not think SYD-PER-DRW-SYD is allowed. It has 2 flights on the limit 1 transcon list.
84N . 9. WITHIN AUSTRALIA -. 85N . ONLY 1 NONSTOP OR SINGLE PLANE FLIGHT PERMITTED 86N . BETWEEN THE FOLLOWING 87N . CITIES: 88N . . 89N . * BNE/CNS/SYD/MEL AND PER /SEE EXCEPTIONS 90N . BELOW/ 91N . * MEL/SYD AND DRW 92N . * MEL/SYD AND BME 93N . --------------------------------------------- 94N . ----- 95N . ----- 96N . 97N . EXCEPTION 98N . EXCEPTION 1: 99N . NO RESTRICTION BETWEEN SYD/MEL-PER FOR 100N . PASSENGERS 101N . ORIGINATING IN PER WHEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH 102N . TRAVEL 103N . TO/FROM JNB/BOM/SHA/PEK. 104N . EXCEPTION 2: 105N . NO RESTRICTION BETWEEN SYD/MEL-PER FOR 106N . PASSENGERS 107N . ORIGINATING NEW ZEALAND WHEN IN CONJUNCTION 108N . WITH 109N . TRAVEL TO/FROM JNB. 110N . . |
Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
(Post 8205889)
Agreed. SYD-PER, PER-DRW,DRW-SYD includes two transcons when only one is allowed.
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Originally Posted by DownUnderFlyer
(Post 8216182)
The way around this can be SYD-ADL-PER-DRW-SYD or SYD-PER-DRW-CNS-SYD and other variations.
DRW-BNE is a daily afternoon flight so a more civilized time of day. |
Originally Posted by Alan in CBR
(Post 8205770)
Well now I'm confused. I would have thought that SYD-PER-DRW-SYD was not allowed, but two posters have said that it is.
I've never tried it, so I'll assume the other two are right. Anyone actually done it? 90N . BELOW/ 91N . * MEL/SYD AND DRW 92N . * MEL/SYD AND BME 93N . -------------------- Funny, I always read it that you could choose 1 trip from each of the three routes - to/from Perth, Broome and Darwin but never put it to the test. Rightly or wrongly Mileage Monkey is happy with BNE-PER-DRW-SYD-BME 1: LAX-BNE: intercontinental 2: BNE-PER: 1st of 4 (Southwest Pacific) 3: PER-DRW: 2nd of 4 (Southwest Pacific) 4: DRW-SYD: 3rd of 4 (Southwest Pacific) 5: SYD-BME: 4th of 4 (Southwest Pacific) 6: BME-SYD: surface 7: SYD-LHR: intercontinental 8: LHR-LAX: intercontinental Congratulations!! Valid itinerary!!! - (31165 miles) |
Originally Posted by websterlewis
(Post 8234988)
89N . * BNE/CNS/SYD/MEL AND PER /SEE EXCEPTIONS
90N . BELOW/ 91N . * MEL/SYD AND DRW 92N . * MEL/SYD AND BME 93N . -------------------- Funny, I always read it that you could choose 1 trip from each of the three routes - to/from Perth, Broome and Darwin but never put it to the test. Rightly or wrongly Mileage Monkey is happy with BNE-PER-DRW-SYD-BME 1: LAX-BNE: intercontinental 2: BNE-PER: 1st of 4 (Southwest Pacific) 3: PER-DRW: 2nd of 4 (Southwest Pacific) 4: DRW-SYD: 3rd of 4 (Southwest Pacific) 5: SYD-BME: 4th of 4 (Southwest Pacific) 6: BME-SYD: surface 7: SYD-LHR: intercontinental 8: LHR-LAX: intercontinental Congratulations!! Valid itinerary!!! - (31165 miles) While you may have thought you can choose from each of the three routes listed there is nothing in the rules or in people's experiences as reported on this board that would support that conclusion. 84N . 9. WITHIN AUSTRALIA -. 85N . ONLY 1 NONSTOP OR SINGLE PLANE FLIGHT PERMITTED 86N . BETWEEN THE FOLLOWING 87N . CITIES: 88N . . 89N . * BNE/CNS/SYD/MEL AND PER /SEE EXCEPTIONS 90N . BELOW/ 91N . * MEL/SYD AND DRW 92N . * MEL/SYD AND BME 93N . --------------------------------------------- 94N . ----- 95N . ----- 96N . 97N . EXCEPTION 98N . EXCEPTION 1: 99N . NO RESTRICTION BETWEEN SYD/MEL-PER FOR 100N . PASSENGERS 101N . ORIGINATING IN PER WHEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH 102N . TRAVEL 103N . TO/FROM JNB/BOM/SHA/PEK. 104N . EXCEPTION 2: 105N . NO RESTRICTION BETWEEN SYD/MEL-PER FOR 106N . PASSENGERS 107N . ORIGINATING NEW ZEALAND WHEN IN CONJUNCTION 108N . WITH 109N . TRAVEL TO/FROM JNB. 110N . . |
120 BA Status Points within Australia
Slightly OT but anyone looking to collect a relatively easy 120 BA status points with an OZ trans-con on a DONE4+ is limited to just these routes;
BNE/CNS/SYD - Perth vv Or SYD - BME vv (Just twice a week tho') (NB MEL - DRW is not currently listed in OW timetable) All of which are just over the magic 2000 miles Those that fall painfully short are SYD - DWN (1962) and MEL-BME (1932) - both a long way to go for 40 SC! |
Originally Posted by websterlewis
(Post 8240437)
Slightly OT but anyone looking to collect a relatively easy 120 BA status points with an OZ trans-con on a DONE4+ is limited to just these routes;
BNE/CNS/SYD - Perth vv Or SYD - BME vv (Just twice a week tho') (NB MEL - DRW is not currently listed in OW timetable) All of which are just over the magic 2000 miles Those that fall painfully short are SYD - DWN (1962) and MEL-BME (1932) - both a long way to go for 40 SC! |
Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
(Post 8239730)
While the mileage monkey is an excellent tool it is still just that a tool that is not 100% correct all of the time.
By way of explanation, I simply don't have the time at present to read most threads, so I am relying on the experts on this forum to help me identifying problems with MM. If I can get a clear indication of what is broken, or what needs fixing (perhaps demonstrated by a sample itinerary link) then I will be able to update MM accordingly. Please do post in the feedback thread though, as that is the only one I check (link to it is available from the MM tool itself). |
Originally Posted by Cheetah_SA
(Post 8241793)
But don't forget you can get those luscious long-haul Tier Points on the short haul flights provided you use the BA codeshare numbers.
So does anyone know where i could get hold of a list of the BA codeshare flights? (without trawling through the OW timetable)? that would be 'sweet as' as the say over here :D dj |
Originally Posted by djsteve
(Post 8280354)
Learnt something i didn't know! That is very interesting and being based in NZ for the next couple of years, this could see me keep Gold (with a couple of BA metal flights to keep in the 4 flight rule).
So does anyone know where i could get hold of a list of the BA codeshare flights? (without trawling through the OW timetable)? that would be 'sweet as' as the say over here :D dj |
Originally Posted by djsteve
(Post 8280354)
Learnt something i didn't know! That is very interesting and being based in NZ for the next couple of years, this could see me keep Gold (with a couple of BA metal flights to keep in the 4 flight rule).
So does anyone know where i could get hold of a list of the BA codeshare flights? (without trawling through the OW timetable)? that would be 'sweet as' as the say over here :D dj |
Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
(Post 8284510)
You can't book a codeshare by itself. But from NZ one round trip on BA to BKK or SIN will meet the 4 sector rule. BKK and SIN also have decent fares ex-NZ, in both economy and business.
Since NZ don't fly to SIN anymore, the Airpoints earning on exNZ-SIN is pretty shocking down the back of the plane (on SQ metal). dj |
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