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Viajero Aug 2, 2007 2:45 am


Originally Posted by flyingatty (Post 8160839)
Sorry for the confusion on the 2 stopover rule in continent of origin. We lived under power lines when I was a kid.

I think this works but has one stop still left after incorporating drw and revising based on LP being acceptable.

nrt-hgk-bkk, sin-per-drw-syd-akl-scl-lim-gru-eze-lhr-cai-lhr-nbo, jnb-xhkg-del-nrt

No, it does not work, because you still have too many (3, possibly 4) stopovers (hkg, bkk//sin, del) in your continent of origin, where the maximum is two (2).

Viajero Aug 2, 2007 2:50 am


Originally Posted by trsqr (Post 8160934)
I couldn't find any flights from South America to Africa...

There aren't any. Also, Europe is not an option, it must be paid for in any and all OWEs.

Viajero Aug 2, 2007 3:07 am


Originally Posted by flyingatty (Post 8160839)
...revising based on LP being acceptable...

No problem in that respect:


Originally Posted by oneworld.com
Fares governed by this rule apply to First / Business / Economy RTW travel via
AA/AY/BA/CX/EG/IB/JC/JL/JO/LA/LP/MA/NU/QF/RJ/XL/4M operated services worldwide.


christep Aug 2, 2007 3:27 am


Originally Posted by flyingatty (Post 8160839)
Sorry for the confusion on the 2 stopover rule in continent of origin. We lived under power lines when I was a kid.

nrt-hgk-bkk, sin-per-drw-syd-akl-scl-lim-gru-eze-lhr-cai-lhr-nbo, jnb-xhkg-del-nrt

You still don't get it! This still has three stopovers in Asia. (HKG, BKK, DEL). It doesn't matter whether the stopovers are before you leave the continent of origin or after you return - you can only have two!

christep Aug 2, 2007 3:31 am


Originally Posted by Viajero (Post 8161083)
No, it does not work, because you still have too many (4) stopovers (hkg, bkk, sin, del) in your continent of origin, where the maximum is two (2).

Actually I think it's three. BKK//SIN counts as one I believe. But in any case, it's too many.

Viajero Aug 2, 2007 3:45 am


Originally Posted by christep (Post 8161158)
Actually I think it's three. BKK//SIN counts as one I believe. But in any case, it's too many.

Yes, I know, you could be, and I hope you are, right, but I counted four for a reason: this issue came up a long time before the current surface segment restriction, and that time AA (IIRC) counted as stops both ends of the open jaw. So, I suspect that if this was already a problem it will now become an even bigger one. IMO it is hard to argue that BKK//SIN, or any other open jaw, is not two stopovers, but here's hoping.

websterlewis Aug 2, 2007 9:06 am


Originally Posted by flyingatty (Post 8160839)

I think this works but has one stop still left after incorporating drw and revising based on LP being acceptable.

nrt-hgk-bkk, sin-per-drw-syd-akl-scl-lim-gru-eze-lhr-cai-lhr-nbo, jnb-xhkg-del-nrt

You have the following choices;

1. Make the first HKG a transit.

2. Fly direct NRT-BKK - which will free up one other segment that can be used elsewhere (but no more stopovers in Asia)

3. Fly direct NRT-SIN - which will free up 2 segments (but no more stopovers in Asia).

Other points;

1. I don't know which class this is being flown in but economy or business fares are often very cheap between HKG , BKK and SIN - and are often not worth wasting a RTW segment on. Check out prices on Kayak.com, zuji or similar.

2. DEL-NRT good segment! JL has brought in some really good new routes to the OW ticket.

3. I also think BKK//SIN counts as one. I had problems with Cathay in CMB refusing to issue the ticket last year with
CMB-BKK // NRT-LHR on it for that reason, but all (real and potential) re-issues since have included those segments with no problem. As always with OW RTW - if someone is mis-interpreting the rules you are stuffed for that day at least! Having said that the new rules make this a bit of a waste anyway.

flyingatty Aug 2, 2007 11:16 am

Thanks for the help with the 2 stopover piece. I must have (repeatedly) misread that portion of the rules.

Given that, I think we are going to try:

nrt-pek, sin-per-drw-syd-akl-scl-ipc-xscl-lim-gru, eze-lhr-cai-lhr-nbo, jnb-xhkg-del-nrt

This uses all 20 and comes in at about 51800 miles.

websterlewis Aug 2, 2007 10:05 pm


Originally Posted by flyingatty (Post 8163093)
Thanks for the help with the 2 stopover piece. I must have (repeatedly) misread that portion of the rules.

Given that, I think we are going to try:

nrt-pek, sin-per-drw-syd-akl-scl-ipc-xscl-lim-gru, eze-lhr-cai-lhr-nbo, jnb-xhkg-del-nrt

This uses all 20 and comes in at about 51800 miles.

That looks fine, just a few points;

1. NRT - PEK, SIN - PER

You are probably aware and have chosen otherwise, but it is possible to go PEK -x HKG and then xHKG to PERTH (PEK-xHKG-PER) without wasting a segment.

2. Perth - Darwin

Goes daily, but not sure if they have business class on either or both planes. Worth check with Qantas, if that matters.

3. I don't think there is any need to restrict Santiago to a transit before going to Lima. If you ticket, best to have it as stopover, for the price of a bit of tax, it is better than having to (potentially) re-issue or have agro at airport, if plans change slightly.

4. Again, unless you have decided otherwise for personal reasons, I believe it is possible to fly GRU to EZE as a paid fifth segment - although having said that the local market price is likely to be cheaper than putting it on there.

QF NB Aug 2, 2007 11:54 pm


Originally Posted by websterlewis (Post 8166311)
2. Perth - Darwin

Goes daily, but not sure if they have business class on either or both planes. Worth check with Qantas, if that matters.

Business class is available on the nonstop PER-DRW service as it is operated by 737-400/800 equipment. Conversely, the one-stop PER-DRW service via Alice Springs does not offer J as it is operated by an all-Y configured 717-200.

Rgds


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