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DONE3 - please critique/validate
This will be booked after JL signs up to oneworld. I'd do more backtracking in the US but alas my parents are joining me in LAX.
BKK xNRT (JL) xSIN (JL) LHR (QF) DXB (BA) xLHR (BA) FCO (BA) BCN (IB) AMS (IB) xLHR (BA) LAX (BA) SFO (AA) SEA (land segment - AS) LAS (land segment - AS) xLAX (AA) JFK (AA) HKG (CX) PVG (CX) xNRT (JL) BKK (JL) I'd be QF SG by the time this DONE3 occurs. That means a good chance of upgrades on the CX segments. But if I change the JFK-HKG sector to the AA codeshare for the SG mileage bonus on QF FF, does that automatically erase any chance of an upgrade? Is there really no way to get to SEA on the AA codeshare on AS as part of the DONE3? Since AA doesn't actually fly there from LAX or SFO and my parents won't understand why we;d have to detour via DFW. Is it possible to book AA codeshares on AS metal? And if so - any status credits for QF FF? I think I'm allowed 2 stopovers in the continent of origin. But am I allowed to do that on the return? Cheers |
4 segments per continent allowed except 6 for NA (you have 6 in Europe and 7 in Asia). Can buy 2 extra segments in Europe, though this is generally not cost effective; cannot buy extra segments in continent of origin. The 2 stopovers in continent of origin can be at either start or end of the trip, but you cannot leave the country of origin once you re-enter (with a few exceptions). AS flights cannot be included, OWE must be entirely on OW metal. Op-ups on AA codeshare simply don't happen, AA doesn't oversell (cannot under the terms of their codeshare), so it is only the CX flight code that is oversold and needs opups. Not sure what you want to do to correct the routing, it seems to be a poor fit to your travel desires and the fare rules.
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Hmm, oh well I guess the following will do:
BKK xNRT (JL) xSIN (JL) LHR (QF) DXB (BA) xLHR (BA) FCO (BA) BCN (IB) AMS (IB) xLHR (BA) LAX (BA) SFO (AA) SEA (land segment - AS) LAS (land segment - AS) xLAX (AA) JFK (AA) HKG (CX) xNRT (CX) BKK (JL) How much does it cost to buy 2 extra segments in Europe? And how well does the CX JFK-HKG A346 flight oversell? :D |
You can only have 20 segments in total. Internal transport in EU is not too expensive (train or aircraft) EU is small compared to OZ
You will save a bundle of $ if you avoid LHR. Very high taxes and airport charges on business class fares. You could go FRA-DFW on AA . Oneworld Explorer Validator Are you going to credit to AA or QF frequent flyer program ? |
There are 16 segments in my itinerary so I should be alright. But there are 6 segments in Europe, meaning I'd have to buy 2 extra segments. Was wondering what the rate is for buying extras as I can't find it on the ow website.
Crediting to QF. The SCs from that itinerary alone makes WP. About 1440. I have to visit London. And I think I'd rather pay a bit more tax than give up club world for AA across the atlantic...:p Thanks for the link! ^ |
Originally Posted by QF009
(Post 7095816)
...Was wondering what the rate is for buying extras as I can't find it on the ow website....
96N . 4. 2 ADDITIONAL FLIGHT SEGMENTS WITHIN EACH 97N . CONTINENT, EXCEPT THE CONTINENT OF ORIGIN MAY BE 98N . PURCHASED. EACH ADDITIONAL FLIGHT SEGMENT MAY BE 99N . PURCHASED AT A CHARGE OF: 100N . -------------------------------------------------- 101N . ---- 102N . I FIRST CLASS I BUSINESS CLASS I ECONOMY 103N . CLASS I 104N . -------------------------------------------------- 105N . ---- 106N . I USD $550.00 I USD $400.00 I USD 107N . $150.00 I 108N . -------------------------------------------------- 109N . ---- 110N . I AUD 750.00 I AUD 500.00 I AUD 111N . 200.00 I 112N . -------------------------------------------------- ¥ 113N . ---- 114N . I GBP 350.00 I GBP 200.00 I GBP 115N . 75.00 I 116N . -------------------------------------------------- 117N . ---- 118N . I HKD 4300 I HKD 3200 I HKD 119N . 1200 I 120N . -------------------------------------------------- 121N . ---- 122N . I EUR 450.00 I EUR 300.00 I EUR 123N . 100.00 I 124N . -------------------------------------------------- 125N . ---- |
Cheers for the info. :)
Looks pretty pricey indeed. Might book 2 of the shorter European segments separately then. |
Originally Posted by QF009
(Post 7096168)
Cheers for the info. :)
Looks pretty pricey indeed. Might book 2 of the shorter European segments separately then. But for my situation (live in Japan), NRT-HKG-NRT Fisrt class for 1,100 USD/900 EUR is worthful. So, I usually add these extra segments to my AONEx. |
Originally Posted by QF009
(Post 7095589)
This will be booked after JL signs up to oneworld...
Originally Posted by QF009
(Post 7095589)
Is there really no way to get to SEA on the AA codeshare on AS as part of the DONE3? Since AA doesn't actually fly there from LAX or SFO and my parents won't understand why we'd have to detour via DFW.
Originally Posted by QF009
(Post 7095589)
Is it possible to book AA codeshares on AS metal? And if so - any status credits for QF FF?
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Originally Posted by Wasabi Tofu
(Post 7096458)
Yes, mostly.
But for my situation (live in Japan), NRT-HKG-NRT Fisrt class for 1,100 USD/900 EUR is worthful. So, I usually add these extra segments to my AONEx. Why would JL joining affect the OWE price? JL adds very few new routes and cities (except within Japan and China). More likely are rule changes (such as limiting HKG-NRT flights similarly to how LHR is limited). Oneworld has been coy about exactly when JL joins, but there have been some press releases which imply that JL will fully participate in OW when joining, which could be interpreted to be part of the OWE fare from day 1. We'll see soon enough, I suppose. The one sure thing with OWE fares is that the rules and fares change every year, but I don't see this year having bigger changes than in the past. |
Originally Posted by number_6
(Post 7097485)
Why would JL joining affect the OWE price? JL adds very few new routes and cities (except within Japan and China). More likely are rule changes (such as limiting HKG-NRT flights similarly to how LHR is limited). Oneworld has been coy about exactly when JL joins, but there have been some press releases which imply that JL will fully participate in OW when joining, which could be interpreted to be part of the OWE fare from day 1. We'll see soon enough, I suppose. The one sure thing with OWE fares is that the rules and fares change every year, but I don't see this year having bigger changes than in the past.
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
(Post 7097536)
...Having JL and RJ in the alliance affects several transoceanic options, which as the bread and butter to the OWE participants ....
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
(Post 7097536)
I don't know that JL joining will affect the OWE price; however the passage of time almost certainly will. Having JL and RJ in the alliance affects several transoceanic options, which as the bread and butter to the OWE participants might imply some restructuring of the product might take place. As you say, we'll know soon enough.
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Originally Posted by headinclouds
(Post 7097732)
Don't forget the NRT-MEX, NRT-GRU, NRT-LHR/CDG/FRA/AMS JL flights will open up a significant range of new flight options. Within Asia, NRT-SIN/DEL/KUL are also welcomed additions.
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Read from another thread that it's incredibly difficult to obtain D seats for the CX JFK-HKG non-stop. How far ahead should I be booking?
Originally Posted by number_6
(Post 7097593)
The real problem is the absurd way that OWE ticket revenue is allocated to the airlines, but fixing that would be transparent to the consumer and not affect the fare rules.
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Originally Posted by QF009
(Post 7098534)
Read from another thread that it's incredibly difficult to obtain D seats for the CX JFK-HKG non-stop. How far ahead should I be booking?
...OT but that's very interesting - I've always wondered how revenue from a RTW is distributed? Based on % of distance flown on the itinerary? The exact formula for OWE fare allocation is a trade secret, but the "over ocean" routes get the lion's share of the fare. So 3 sectors out of the 20 get more than half of the ticket revenue (or 5x the revenue of the other sectors). Thus the airlines all want to fly trans-Atlantic, trans-Pacific and Europe-Asia/Australia on these tickets. Some similar length/service flights, such as LHR-JNB or JFK-EZE get far less, so it isn't a fair division, but the airlines made up these rules. Again not enough of these tickets to really matter, so the airlines leave the system as it is. |
Originally Posted by QF009
(Post 7098534)
Read from another thread that it's incredibly difficult to obtain D seats for the CX JFK-HKG non-stop. How far ahead should I be booking? ...
FWIW, the one stop service was fine, with a 'dinner' flight and a 'sleep' flight. |
Question - is JFK-YVR on CX a transcon for the purpose of the 'only 1 transcon' rule?
I was thinking that if I can't get the CX nonstop, I might as well stopover in YVR for a few days. |
Originally Posted by QF009
(Post 7117648)
Question - is JFK-YVR on CX a transcon for the purpose of the 'only 1 transcon' rule?
I was thinking that if I can't get the CX nonstop, I might as well stopover in YVR for a few days. 52N . 8. WITHIN THE US/CANADA- 53N . * ONLY 1 NONSTOP OR SINGLE PLANE 54N . TRANSCONTINENTAL 55N . FLIGHT PERMITTED. 56N . TRANSCONTINENTAL FLIGHT IS DEFINED AS TRAVEL 57N . BETWEEN THE FOLLOWING CITIES: 58N . 59N . BWI/BOS/FLL/BDL/MIA/EWR/NYC/ORL/PHL/SJU/YYZ/WAS 60N . AND 61N . LAS/LGB/LAX/OAK/SNA/PDX/SAN/SFO/SEA/SJC/YVR 62N . * ONLY 1 FLIGHT TO ANC AND 1 FLIGHT FROM ANC 63N . PERMITTED. 64N . * ONLY 1 FLIGHT BETWEEN HAWAII AND THE 65N . CONTINENTAL US INCLUDING PRVI/CANADA |
Cheers. AA via DFW it is.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't the revised itinerary be a good candidate for Global Explorer instead of DONE3?
Could easily fit under the maximum mileage of DGLOBxx, which opens up having more segments in europe, non-oneworld airlines, etc. |
Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
(Post 7123451)
Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't the revised itinerary be a good candidate for Global Explorer instead of DONE3?
Could easily fit under the maximum mileage of DGLOBxx, which opens up having more segments in europe, non-oneworld airlines, etc. edited to add - Just checked it out. It's distance-based (up to 34 000 miles for D and much more expensive :S), so that wouldn;t work for my itinerary as it involves lots of backtracking. Also, it doesn't include Alaskan airlines which is what I need to get to/from SEA. Getting 2 extra sectors in Europe doesn't seem too bad if I buy them in economy. |
Originally Posted by QF009
(Post 7125269)
...The NRT sectors are contingent on JL joining oneworld though, whether DONEx or DGLOBxx...
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Originally Posted by Viajero
(Post 7128051)
Global Explorer allows the use of JL.
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Originally Posted by QF009
(Post 7128222)
I realised that. But I need JL in oneworld to earn Status Credits on QF FF. Sorry for not being clear.
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Er, well all you need is an airline rep or TA who can hold reservations for you. You could make a reservation on a JL D class flight as part of an itinerary right now - it's only ticketing it as a OWE that you couldn't do. It is a fundamental point that people seem to fail to get that reservations and ticketing are seperate things. The only problem you have to manage is the ability to hold reservations without a ticket number applied to them.
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