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AY to BOM, cancels SIN and KUL
FINNAIR FLIGHTS TO INDIA TO BE QUADRUPLED:
FLIGHTS TO MUMBAI ALL SET FOR JUNE LAUNCH Finnair is set for a massive boost to the fast growing Asian market with significant increases in traffic to India and China. In response to strong demand, the number of weekly flights to India will increase from the current three to 12, while there will also be an increase in flights to China. In June, Finnair will launch a new Indian route with flights to Mumbai, which will be served non-stop from Helsinki five days a week. Moreover, in mid-May the current three-weekly frequency for flights to the Indian capital Delhi will be increased to daily. "It will be extremely hard, if not impossible for airlines to secure new arrival and departure slots at Indian airports in the coming years," says Henrik Arle, Finnair's Deputy CEO, responsible for Scheduled Passenger Traffic. "By adding to its Indian scheduled traffic just now, Finnair is ensuring its presence in these fast growing markets." Meanwhile, Finnair's China traffic will increase in mid-May, with the boosting in frequency of non-stop Hong Kong services from four times a week to daily. Non- stop services will continue over the next winter timetable season. The Chinese network will be further strengthened with the addition of a fourth weekly flight to Guangzhou. As a result of the increases in Indian and Chinese traffic, the onward flights from Bangkok to Singapore will no longer be operated. Singapore and the flights previously planned for Kuala Lumpur will be served in cooperation with partner airlines. "Following these renewals, we will fly to all our long-haul destinations non- stop, without stopovers," says Arle. "Daily flights bring more alternatives for our customers." The changes about to be implemented also significantly increase the efficiency of the Finnair long-haul fleet usage. The number of weekly long-haul flights from Helsinki will increase from 61 to 66. The monthly passenger kilometre totals offered by Finnair on long-haul traffic will consequently grow by 2.5 per cent. All in all Finnair Asian traffic will grow this year by over 30 per cent since Finnair is adding two new Airbus A340 aircraft for the long-haul fleet during May and June. Finnair Plc Communications 22.1.2007 |
I've been looking forward to this announcement.
100% mileage credit to AA for Europe-India/India-Europe is always to be welcomed. |
Unfortunately the SIN and BKK cancellations will be very unwelcome for QF flyers who were using the short haul sectors for SC accumulation. Also I am guessing that many of the great AY D class fares offered ex-Australia will also suffer (unless of course AY is now offering them with a QF connection in HKG and PEK).
It's a real shame AY don't have more aircraft. |
And it hasn't even started on BKK-KUL services yet !
BKK-SIN used to be served by several european carriers with 5th Freedom traffic rights.. ie SK, LX, AY.. Now there's only LX left... Pity that AY has to relocate aircraft around just because there is not much going around they can do about it. |
Originally Posted by Traveloguy
(Post 7067322)
Unfortunately the SIN and BKK cancellations will be very unwelcome for QF flyers who were using the short haul sectors for SC accumulation. Also I am guessing that many of the great AY D class fares offered ex-Australia will also suffer (unless of course AY is now offering them with a QF connection in HKG and PEK).
It's a real shame AY don't have more aircraft. I don't think it's a question of getting more aircraft. I assume they've got the money to rent some if they feel like it as they just did. My guess is that the problem is actually HEL running out of gates every afternoon in the non-schengen area and you just don't load/unload an A340 with buses if you want to be quick about it. The HEL expansion will be ready in 2009 and they'll get new gates then but before that they're probably not able to expand their Asian network much more. HEL is already a nightmare on every afternoon at about 4PM. The lounges are packed and people are drinking their GTs standing as every seat is occupied. Also, the three always full UK flights departing between 4 and 6PM seem to be from the 31abcde bus gates. It seems to take forever to get everyone on an A321 on board on time by bus and they never depart on time anymore. So sadly it seems that adding a couple of A340s there before the expansion departing on a popular time isn't an option for them. /hv |
Originally Posted by Traveloguy
(Post 7067322)
Unfortunately the SIN and BKK cancellations will be very unwelcome for QF flyers
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So are there any remaining non-CX OW airlines flying intra-Asia/5th Freedom routes? Of interest for folks using AA miles for Oneworld awards...
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
(Post 7069482)
So are there any remaining non-CX OW airlines flying intra-Asia/5th Freedom routes? Of interest for folks using AA miles for Oneworld awards...
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
(Post 7069482)
So are there any remaining non-CX OW airlines flying intra-Asia/5th Freedom routes? Of interest for folks using AA miles for Oneworld awards...
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Originally Posted by hvisti
(Post 7068144)
So sadly it seems that adding a couple of A340s there before the expansion departing on a popular time isn't an option for them.
/hv |
Originally Posted by Gardyloo
(Post 7069482)
So are there any remaining non-CX OW airlines flying intra-Asia/5th Freedom routes? Of interest for folks using AA miles for Oneworld awards...
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Yes - QF flies SIN-DPS-SIN Tues & Sat (QF75/76)
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Any indication when the SIN service ceases?
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Originally Posted by christep
(Post 7072432)
Yes - QF flies SIN-DPS-SIN Tues & Sat (QF75/76)
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Originally Posted by ecuatorianaDC10
(Post 7072915)
Any indication when the SIN service ceases?
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Originally Posted by AJLondon
(Post 7069425)
Quite welcome news for regulars to DEL though. 320 BA TPs per round trip from the UK. ;)
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Recent AY BKK-HKG flight was cancelled for tech reasons and all moved to CX flight. There were 4 AY pax in business...
The fares exBKK (SIN and HKG) were low enough to probably irritate CX. exSIN a bit higher. I will miss the AY flights. Happy wandering Fred |
Wow... oneworld is finally paying some more attention to BOM, over DEL :) ^
Finnair should give some good relief from the regular hassles with BA, while taking flights to Europe / USA and still getting mileage... By the way, I've always wondered - what exactly is a 5th freedom route? And while I'm at the FT glossary, what's a metal flight? |
Originally Posted by neerajnevatia
(Post 7074877)
By the way, I've always wondered - what exactly is a 5th freedom route? And while I'm at the FT glossary, what's a metal flight?
And a counter example: BA between GIG-GRU does not have 5th-freedom rights. i.e. they cannot sell tickets between those two points. Only can sell GRU to/from LHR and GIG to/from LHR, but not between GRU and GIG. Airline metal: BA flight operated on BA metal would be a BA flight operated by BA aircraft and crew. BA flight on QF metal would be a BA flight number (codeshare) but operated by QF on QF aircraft with QF crew. |
Originally Posted by AJLondon
(Post 7075382)
5th freedom: An airline that has permission to operate a flight, and sell tickets on it, between two "foreign" airports. Eg.: BA between BKK-SYD, GRU-EZE etc. These are 5th freedom flights.....
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Originally Posted by number_6
(Post 7076443)
That is a 6th or 7th freedom right (I forget which, they are rarely provided). Fifth freedom is far more limited: it is the right to sell tickets between 2 foreign airports on flights that originate or terminate in the home country. So BA can sell BKK-SYD only for flights that orginate and terminate in the UK; BA cannot operate FRA-BKK-SYD even if it had the rights for FRA-BKK. BA also couldn't open a base at BKK, station planes there, and have flights that just run BKK-SYD-BKK and not have the same plane and flight number go to/from LHR.
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FREEDOMS OF THE AIR First Freedom of the Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, granted by one State to another State or States to fly across its territory without landing (also known as a First Freedom Right). Second Freedom of the Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, granted by one State to another State or States to land in its territory for non-traffic purposes (also known as a Second Freedom Right). Third Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, granted by one State to another State to put down, in the territory of the first State, traffic coming from the home State of the carrier (also known as a Third Freedom Right). Fourth Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, granted by one State to another State to take on, in the territory of the first State, traffic destined for the home State of the carrier (also known as a Fourth Freedom Right). Fifth Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, granted by one State to another State to put down and to take on, in the territory of the first State, traffic coming from or destined to a third State (also known as a Fifth Freedom Right). ICAO characterizes all "freedoms" beyond the Fifth as "so-called" because only the first five "freedoms" have been officially recognized as such by international treaty. Sixth Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, of transporting, via the home State of the carrier, traffic moving between two other States (also known as a Sixth Freedom Right). The so-called Sixth Freedom of the Air, unlike the first five freedoms, is not incorporated as such into any widely recognized air service agreements such as the "Five Freedoms Agreement". Seventh Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, granted by one State to another State, of transporting traffic between the territory of the granting State and any third State with no requirement to include on such operation any point in the territory of the recipient State, i.e the service need not connect to or be an extension of any service to/from the home State of the carrier. Eighth Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, of transporting cabotage traffic between two points in the territory of the granting State on a service which originates or terminates in the home country of the foreign carrier or (in connection with the so-called Seventh Freedom of the Air) outside the territory of the granting State (also known as a Eighth Freedom Right or "consecutive cabotage"). Ninth Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege of transporting cabotage traffic of the granting State on a service performed entirely within the territory of the granting State (also known as a Ninth Freedom Right or "stand alone" cabotage). |
AY daily to Osaka
Press Release
24 Jan 2007 Finnair launches daily flights to Osaka Finnair will begin flying between Helsinki and Osaka, Japan daily from the end of May. Finnair's Helsinki-Nagoya return flights will also increase by one when frequencies are upped to four times a week from mid-June. "Thanks to the additional frequencies, Finnair becomes the third largest western airline operating between Europe and Japan. Next summer Finnair will have two daily flights to Japan, when the current number of weekly flights goes up from 11 to 15 weekly operations," says Finnair VP Network Strategies and Management Petteri Kostermaa. The airline doubled its Tokyo flights from two to four a week already last December. Finnair is the only airline in northern Europe with routes to all three most important Japanese cities: Tokyo, Osaka and Nagoya. Finnair's long-haul fleet is growing as two new wide-bodied Airbus A340s enter traffic towards the end of spring. Tokyo and Nagoya routes will be operated with the large Airbuses, Boeing MD-11s are used on flights to Osaka. Finnair Plc Communications 24.1.2007 |
Originally Posted by Zarniwoop
(Post 7090074)
large Airbuses
According to the AY website, their MD-11s take 282 pax and their A343s take 269 - 295. |
No, A343 is not larger than MD-11 but in this case large means Airbus 340-300. Finnair's small Airbuses are A319-321.
It says large Airbuses not larger.:) Btw, wing span is larger in A343 than it is in MD-11. 343 has 60,30m and M11 has 51,66 meters. |
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