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changed DONE4 to DONE3- please double check!
Finally, after waiting for the chance, my fiancee and I are getting the time we need to do a RTW!
We are going to either do a DONE3 or DONE4 starting in CMB. I have planned this as the DNOE3, and I am working on the DONE4 still- as to try and fit in Australia. We need to keep IST in there, and want to see friends in SFO, we would like to visit Montreal (YYZ is closest right?) and would like to see NYC, I think that they are the only must visit places, the other flights are to build mileage. cmb-hkg-lhr-ist-lhr-cai-lhr-yyz-bos-mia-was-lax-sfo-jfk-hkg-del-hkg-cmb What do you think? As far as I can tell this is valid, if LHR is only a transit on 2 of the trips. Is there any way to avoid LHR so often, and still get to CAI? The new taxes in LHR seem quite expensive:( Hoping to use CX and BA for intercontinental, and then AA in the US. i can use my 500mile stickers to upgrade those fligths to first right? I'll post the DONE4 soon. Thanks in advance for all of your help.:cool: |
If you have a DONEx you travel in First on AA anyway (on 2-class domestic flights).
You can get to CAI from MAD or BCN. BA flies to Montreal (YUL) daily Monday to Friday from LHR. You can't do WAS-LAX and SFO-JFK on the same itinerary - only one US transcon allowed. That's all I see quickly. |
Both BA and AA fly to YUL so you could fly there if you really wanted to.
I haven't checked but I am fairly sure that WAS-LAX is on the transcon list, so SFO-JFK would be a 2nd transcon and not allowed. CAI is served by IB as well as BA (however IB uses a dreadful A320 so much less nice than the BA "longer-haul" service). I see christep types faster than I do (sorry for the redundant post, it was in parallel). |
the UK air passenger duty which increases from 1 February does not apply to transits
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Thanks for all of your help so far!:)
I may change the YYZ to YUL then, and swap the order of travel in the US a little-If I travel as I've planned in the DONE4, I could fly form LHR-SFO, and then to JFK, getting the extra miles in. Here is rought plan for the DONE4: cmb-bkk-lhr-dxb-lhr-ist-lhr-yzr-jfk-dfw-sfo-mia-jfk-syd-akl-mel-per-nrt-hkg-sin-cmb I've swapped CAI for DXB in this, but they would be interchangeable right? I think that this fits all of the rules, and it should be over 55000miles- earning us over 120,000 as AAPLAT. CMB-BKK=CX BKK-LHR=QF/BA, I would prefer QF, what do others think? Or would we be better transiting HKG and using CX- I do love the lounge, and CX have been good to us. Out of my last 8 legs with CX in Asia, I have been upgraded 6 times~:cool: LHR-DXB(or CAI)-LHR-IST-LHR-YZR=BA YZR-JFK=CX888 (is this allowed?) JFK-DFW-SFO-MIA-JFK=AA (use upgrade stickers to up D-F on 3 class flights) JFK-SYD-AKL-MEL-PER-NRT=QF NRT-HKG-SIN-CMB=CX If CX888 isn't allowed, then I fly BA LHR-YUL, then AA YUL-SFO(via DFW), and cut out the JFK-DFW leg. I know there is a lot of information! I appreciate all of your help |
Here is the altered DONE3:
cmb-sin-lhr-ist-lhr-dxb-lhr-yul-mia-dfw-ord-sfo-jfk-hkg-bom-hkg-cmb This gives about 45000miles- just over 100000miles with AAPlat. |
Presume by YZR you mean YVR (Vancouver)? You have 2 trans-continentals in North America, YVR-JFK and SFO-MIA. You can only do 1.
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Originally Posted by johnkennett
(Post 6891097)
Here is the altered DONE3:
cmb-sin-lhr-ist-lhr-dxb-lhr-yul-mia-dfw-ord-sfo-jfk-hkg-bom-hkg-cmb This gives about 45000miles- just over 100000miles with AAPlat. |
Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
(Post 6891161)
You cant do LHR-DXB-LHR and LHR-IST-LHR in a single xONEx.
66N . NOTE 1: NO MORE THAN 2 FREE SEGMENTS BETWEEN THE 67N . U.K. AND: 68N . . 69N . . 70N . ALGERIA ARMENIA AZERBAI BAHRAIN BULGARIA 71N . CYPRUS 72N . 73N . JAN 74N . . 75N . EGYPT GEORGIA GREECE IRAN ISRAEL 76N . JORDAN 77N . . 78N . KUWAIT LEBANON MACEDON MALTA MOROCCO 79N . OMAN 80N . 81N . IA 82N . . 83N . FUNCHAL QATAR ROMANIA RUSSIA SAUDI 84N . SYRIAN 85N . , PORTU ARABIA 86N . ARAB RE 87N . GAL 88N . PUBLIC 89N . . 90N . TUNISIA UNITED UKRAINE YUGOSLAVI SERBIA - 91N . CROATIA 92N . ARAB EM A 93N . MONTENEGR 94N . IRATES 95N . O |
Thanks. I thought that my reading allowed IST, so now I'm not sure!
The changes for the transcon will need to be made though. DONE3 cmb-sin-lhr-ist-lhr-dxb-lhr-yul-mia-bos-dfw-ord-sfo-jfk-hkg-bom-hkg-cmb I would like to add another NA sector, but can't think of one that I can add on this routing- any ideas? Perhaps BOS between MIA and DFW or between DFW and ORD? This would give about 46000miles 105000 AAmiles. DONE4 I did mean YVR! Sorry about that. cmb-bkk-lhr-dxb-lhr-ist-lhr-yvr-jfk-dfw-sfo-ord--jfk-syd-akl-mel-per-nrt-hkg-sin-cmb Would adding ORD here fix the transcon problem? Removing MIA would then give me 20 sectors. This should get me about 55000miles- or 120000 odd AAmiles. I think I have almost maxed out my mileage?! Any tips to add some extra miles without extra sectors would be gret. Also can I use CX888 from YVR to JFK? I'm just waiting for some pricing from CMB, and some of the general things (not including taxes or routes) |
Originally Posted by johnkennett
(Post 6891297)
Thanks. I thought that my reading allowed IST, so now I'm not sure!
Originally Posted by johnkennett
(Post 6891297)
The changes for the transcon will need to be made though.
DONE3 cmb-sin-lhr-ist-lhr-dxb-lhr-yul-mia-bos-dfw-ord-sfo-jfk-hkg-bom-hkg-cmb I would like to add another NA sector, but can't think of one that I can add on this routing- any ideas? Perhaps BOS between MIA and DFW or between DFW and ORD? This would give about 46000miles 105000 AAmiles.
Originally Posted by johnkennett
(Post 6891297)
DONE4
I did mean YVR! Sorry about that. cmb-bkk-lhr-dxb-lhr-ist-lhr-yvr-jfk-dfw-sfo-ord--jfk-syd-akl-mel-per-nrt-hkg-sin-cmb Would adding ORD here fix the transcon problem? Removing MIA would then give me 20 sectors. This should get me about 55000miles- or 120000 odd AAmiles. I think I have almost maxed out my mileage?! Any tips to add some extra miles without extra sectors would be gret. Also can I use CX888 from YVR to JFK? I'm just waiting for some pricing from CMB, and some of the general things (not including taxes or routes) |
But remember that on 3-class planes you still book into D in N America, which means the YVR-JFK, and SFO-JFK. More miles, but less comfort, by taking F on a two class.
There are longer flights in North America. If in the summer then look at ANC; also look at flights to SJU, SJO and similar. |
Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
(Post 6891224)
Yes you can. Turkey is not on the restricted list from LHR.
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Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
(Post 6891778)
Apologies for the bad advice. Odd that Turkey isn't on the list when all the countries around it (including several closer to UK) are.
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Once again, thanks for all of the help!.
Seems this routing may be the best I can come up with: DONE3 cmb-xsin-lhr-ist-xlhr-mct-xlhr-yul-mia-xdfw-sjo-xdfw-sfo-jfk-xhkg-bom-hkg-cmb DONE4 cmb-xbkk-xlhr-dxb-xlhr-ist-lhr-yvr-xdfw-sjo-xdfw-sfo-jfk-syd-akl-mel-per-nrt-hkg-sin-cmb CX office in CMB wanted an itinerary before they would give me a price for a DONE*:td: I have emailed the above to them and see what they tell me. Hope the price difference between DONE and AONE isn't too much....:rolleyes: Might be able to do it in A which would be better with the big intercon trips. Thanks again. BTW- what do you think of the value of the Circle Explorer fares for 3 or 4 continents? I assume that they are considerably cheaper, but using Africa, one could maximise mileage, and visit some interesting places too. Something like this: (3)cmb-hkg-lhr-ist-lhr-cpt-jnb-hkg-cmb (4)cmb-sin-lhr-ist-lhr-cpt-jnb-syd-hkg-cmb Both satisfy the places we have to visit, though the 4cont. would be much better, taking in Australia. If it is a lot cheaper, we may consider this. |
Originally Posted by johnkennett
(Post 6893704)
Once again, thanks for all of the help!.
Seems this routing may be the best I can come up with: DONE3 cmb-xsin-lhr-ist-xlhr-mct-xlhr-yul-mia-xdfw-sjo-xdfw-sfo-jfk-xhkg-bom-hkg-cmb DONE4 cmb-xbkk-xlhr-dxb-xlhr-ist-lhr-yvr-xdfw-sjo-xdfw-sfo-jfk-syd-akl-mel-per-nrt-hkg-sin-cmb CX office in CMB wanted an itinerary before they would give me a price for a DONE*:td: I have emailed the above to them and see what they tell me. Hope the price difference between DONE and AONE isn't too much....:rolleyes: Might be able to do it in A which would be better with the big intercon trips. Thanks again. BTW- what do you think of the value of the Circle Explorer fares for 3 or 4 continents? I assume that they are considerably cheaper, but using Africa, one could maximise mileage, and visit some interesting places too. Something like this: (3)cmb-hkg-lhr-ist-lhr-cpt-jnb-hkg-cmb (4)cmb-sin-lhr-ist-lhr-cpt-jnb-syd-hkg-cmb Both satisfy the places we have to visit, though the 4cont. would be much better, taking in Australia. If it is a lot cheaper, we may consider this. DONE3 CMB - 518500 AONE3 CMB - 884900 DONE4 CMB - 591200 AONE4 CMB - 980000 So A is around 65% - 70% more. Not a great deal IMO. All in LKR, current exchange = 0.009311 USD I don't think the circle fares are anywhere nearly as attractive as the OWE fares, especially considering the greatly reduced mile-earning prospects they entail. YMMV. |
Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas! No rest here in Korea, back to work today- oh how I miss Boxing Day- had a great Chrsitmas lunch at Cornerstone in the Park Hyatt in Seoul, which was excellent as it always is. My new top choice hotel restaurant in Seoul BTW. Up in the morning on KE, back in evening on OZ, both excellent.
Thanks for all of your help! I agree. The A fare is not as good value. I think this will be our DONE4 routing, with some added tickets of our own: (NON-DONE tickets bold) icn-hkg//hkg-bkk-cmb -//CMB-HKG-LHR-MCT-LHR-IST-LHR-YVR-DFW-ANC-DFW-YUL-LAX/(lax-?lax)/ -JFK-SYD//(syd-bne-mel-syd)-PER-ADL( adl-mel-adl)-SYD-BOM-HKG-//(hkg-lhr)//CMB // cmb-bkk-hkg //-hkg-mel The ICN-HKG-MEL sectors are from a oneway ticket leaving Korea- we are going to be relocating back to Australia after 6 years here. It seems cheaper to get seperate tickets HKG-BKK-CMB, than just HKG-CMB, though that may change as we get closer to the booking date. We will be leaving ICN on July 3, and have to be in SYD by August 4 to collect our dog from Quarratine, so all of the pre-SYD sectors have to be finished by then. The nested OZ tickets are to visit family and friends. We want to head down to SFO from LAX, so will just buy a cheap return on AA.com, so as to not use a sector. The onworld.com validator ok'd this routing, and as a bonus, the DONE sectors will earn 142939 AAPLAT miles, as far as I can calculate. The mileage is 63349miles, so at 1.5Qpoints per mile, this trip would earn us both EXPLAT status right? (With the extra ICN-HKG-MEL tickets on CX, J).:D BTW, I had to get a new username for the time being, my computer won't let me login wil johnkennett. I'll try over the next few days an see if I can fix it. |
Originally Posted by johnkennett1
(Post 6902061)
icn-hkg//hkg-bkk-cmb -//CMB-HKG-LHR-MCT-LHR-IST-LHR-YVR-DFW-ANC-DFW-YUL-LAX/(lax-?lax)/ -JFK-SYD//(syd-bne-mel-syd)-PER-ADL( adl-mel-adl)-SYD-BOM-HKG-//(hkg-lhr)//CMB // cmb-bkk-hkg //-hkg-mel |
I could change that to YYZ then, and there are direct flights to LAX from there.
What do you think is better- JFK to SYD via HKG, using CX, or using QF107 into SYD? I have to think CX has a better product, but is it worth going that far out of the way for? If so, I will have to cut a sector somewhere, to keep it at 20 sectors. Keep the ideas coming!:cool: I have learnt a lot form flyertalk, and have passed on many tips to friends and family, who are grateful for many of the mileage/elite earning ideas I've picked up here! |
Originally Posted by johnkennett
(Post 6903370)
...What do you think is better- JFK to SYD via HKG, using CX, or using QF107 into SYD? I have to think CX has a better product, but is it worth going that far out of the way for?...
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It is the same issue from SIN or BKK (CMB to either of these cities) to LHR- should I take BA or QF. If BA are operating the new CW, then it would be a better flight than QF.
I'll also have to head over to the AA forum to find out which flight are the best to choose for the internal US flights when the cities are booked. |
Originally Posted by johnkennett
(Post 6903370)
I could change that to YYZ then, and there are direct flights to LAX from there.
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I think I'll change the routing of the US sectors, so as to use CX.
YVR-JFK-MIA-DFW-ANC-DFW-JFK(EWR). That gives 6 sectors, all of them fairly long, with only one transcon. It also means I can use CX over AA, a much better use of the coupon I think. |
Originally Posted by johnkennett
(Post 6906990)
I think I'll change the routing of the US sectors, so as to use CX...
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but probably still better than taking an AA transcon, from what I read here.
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Originally Posted by johnkennett
(Post 6907288)
but probably still better than taking an AA transcon, from what I read here.
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Illegal routing?
I sent the following routing to CX in SEL to price for me:
ICN-HKG-LHR-DXB-LHR-IST-LHR-YVR-JFK-DFW-ANC-DFW-SJU-JFK-HKG-MEL-PER-SYD-BOM-HKG-ICN The expatriate services manager just called me, and told me that the routing is illegal, because 1. I have to go to Australia first from HKG, not LHR. 2. I can't use the JFKxHKG-MEL service, as this routing is not allowed, but must use the JFK-SYD-MEL routing on either QF or the AA code share! Is she right? I emailed her and said I think that she might be mistaken. Any help you can give me please!!! I am checking the price ex-ICN as the fuel surcharges on ex ICN itins are capped at about US$15 per sector, due to Korean government regulations. When adding the cost of getting to CMB from ICN, to the tax savings, it may be cheaper to leave from here. |
Originally Posted by johnkennett
(Post 6934860)
I sent the following routing to CX in SEL to price for me:
ICN-HKG-LHR-DXB-LHR-IST-LHR-YVR-JFK-DFW-ANC-DFW-SJU-JFK-HKG-MEL-PER-SYD-BOM-HKG-ICN The expatriate services manager just called me, and told me that the routing is illegal, because 1. I have to go to Australia first from HKG, not LHR. 2. I can't use the JFKxHKG-MEL service, as this routing is not allowed, but must use the JFK-SYD-MEL routing on either QF or the AA code share! Is she right? I emailed her and said I think that she might be mistaken. Any help you can give me please!!! I am checking the price ex-ICN as the fuel surcharges on ex ICN itins are capped at about US$15 per sector, due to Korean government regulations. When adding the cost of getting to CMB from ICN, to the tax savings, it may be cheaper to leave from here. 1. Yes she is right. You can do HKG-OZ, then OZ through to Europe. But you cannot do NA-x/HKG-Oz. Otherwise you'd have tyo do NA-OZ-HKG. Or you may do the opposite - HKG-NA, then EU, straight then to OZ, then back to Asia. 2. Yes she's right. Again, CX will interpret OW rules and regulations as how they see fit. BUt the way WE interpret it may not be how your issuing carrier sees it. |
Thanks for your help. If I can't do the DONE4 with the routing I thought, I'm really going to have to rethink the way I put the trip together. I think that we may have to go to Australia first- though that will help with the fact I need to get a new passport anyway.....
I really want to keep the same cities in the intin, I'm now not sure how to route it with OZ first, and still maximise the mileage....:rolleyes: Any help will be much appreciated!:) |
I don't think a routing asia-europe-na-oz is illegal?? You just have to make sure that you fly from na to oz directly, and not through asia.
MEL-PER-SYD is an illegal routing, only 1 flight allowed between PER and SYD/MEL. |
Originally Posted by nielsdc
(Post 6935602)
I don't think a routing asia-europe-na-oz is illegal?? You just have to make sure that you fly from na to oz directly, and not through asia.
MEL-PER-SYD is an illegal routing, only 1 flight allowed between PER and SYD/MEL. Change the itin to something like this and you get to keep virtually all your stops: ICN-HKG-LHR-DXB-LHR-IST-LHR-YVR-JFK-DFW-ANC-DFW-SJU-JFK-SYD-PER-ADL-SYD-BOM-HKG-ICN |
The rule is the following:
113N . 4. TRAVEL MUST BE IN A CONTINUOUS FORWARD 114N . DIRECTION BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA-2-AREA 3. (IATA Area 1 is North/South America, Area 2 is Europe/Middle East/Africa and Area 3 is Asia/Australia). But that rule doesn't require that all travel in the area of origin be completed prior to leaving an area. What it does prohibit is re-entering an area after leaving it; but the area of origin is required to be re-entered (as the fare must terminate in the continent of origin, and in fact in the country of origin except as allowed by the listed exceptions in the rules). I interpret that to mean that with an Asia origin you can do Australia either first or last in the routing (but you couldn't do ICN-HKG-JNB-SYD-LHR-JFK-HKG-ICN for example). |
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