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dsf Oct 8, 2006 4:38 am

DragonAir in OW?
 
Mentioned this on the BA forum but it's more on-topic here, obviously. Are DragonAir soon to be a miles and points earning member of OneWorld now that they're wholly owned by Cathay Pacific?

christep Oct 8, 2006 5:38 am

Even better in the AsiaMiles forum, here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=607720

virtualtroy Dec 10, 2006 10:47 am

Bump. Not sure exactly when the change took place, but all KA routes now seem to be offering CX codeshare designators which means (assuming you book using these, rather than the KA equivalent):

- Mileage earn for all OW scheme members.
- Use of The Wing / The Pier when departing HKG on a qualifying ticket or holding OW Sapphire / Emerald status.

Also great news as on routes like HKG/PVG, where the KA op services are 3-class, while the newly-introduced CX op flights offer only Y and J and on the inbound timings are useless if you're planning to connect on to another flight.

Not sure whether this means that xONEx tix can be booked on KA metal using the CX designator, I suspect not (at least not for a little while yet).

Hope the update is useful.

jerry a. laska Dec 10, 2006 11:39 am


Originally Posted by virtualtroy (Post 6824022)
Bump. Not sure exactly when the change took place, but all KA routes now seem to be offering CX codeshare designators which means (assuming you book using these, rather than the KA equivalent):

- Mileage earn for all OW scheme members.- Use of The Wing / The Pier when departing HKG on a qualifying ticket or holding OW Sapphire / Emerald status.
Also great news as on routes like HKG/PVG, where the KA op services are 3-class, while the newly-introduced CX op flights offer only Y and J and on the inbound timings are useless if you're planning to connect on to another flight.
Not sure whether this means that xONEx tix can be booked on KA metal using the CX designator, I suspect not (at least not for a little while yet).
Hope the update is useful.

I'm not sure I understand the bolded text. In order to be eligible for mileage credit a codeshare must be on a oneworld member airline. KA still isn't a member therefore CX codeshares on KA flights don't automatically earn miles. From other threads it seems that QF has added KA as a partner and so your scenario would work for QF but KA is not a partner yet with, for example, AA so CX codeshares on KA would not be eligible for AA mileage credit.

virtualtroy Dec 10, 2006 12:13 pm


Originally Posted by jerry a. laska (Post 6824198)
I'm not sure I understand the bolded text. In order to be eligible for mileage credit a codeshare must be on a oneworld member airline.

Not so, unless this is a specific condition of your program (not the case for the ones I know more about like BAEC, QFFF).

Darren Dec 10, 2006 12:40 pm


Originally Posted by virtualtroy (Post 6824342)
Not so, unless this is a specific condition of your program (not the case for the ones I know more about like BAEC, QFFF).

Be careful, VT, many do in fact exclude codeshares of non-OW airlines. For Qantas, CX codeshares of non-OW airlines are excluded. BAEC is similar, though I see that the site does not specifically state what's excluded and what's not. The best thing to do until KX becomes a member (which I believe is just a matter of time) is to look through the T&C of your program and/or call and ask a rep.

sllevin Dec 10, 2006 1:08 pm

I actually thought as a general rule the 'codeshare option' was only good on the "home" FFP; i.e, in this case it would be good for CX folks but not for others.

Steve

virtualtroy Dec 10, 2006 1:10 pm


Originally Posted by Darren (Post 6824451)
For Qantas, CX codeshares of non-OW airlines are excluded.

I stand corrected, upon second glance at QFFF T&C, which aren't obviously transparent unless you dig a little deeper, it only becomes clear that this is the case when looking at this bit: http://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/...m/terms#jump23

You're right that the BAEC T&Cs make no specific reference to exclusion, therefore must be inferred to mean inclusion.

jerry a. laska Dec 10, 2006 1:56 pm


Originally Posted by virtualtroy (Post 6824532)
I stand corrected, upon second glance at QFFF T&C, which aren't obviously transparent unless you dig a little deeper, it only becomes clear that this is the case when looking at this bit: http://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/...m/terms#jump23

You're right that the BAEC T&Cs make no specific reference to exclusion, therefore must be inferred to mean inclusion.

From ba.com:


Air partners


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Executive Club members can earn and redeem BA Miles with the following airline partners:
. . .

†Some Codeshare flights that are not operated by BA’s Airline Partners are not eligible for mileage earning by BA Executive Club Members.
BAEC does not automatically allow credit for all codeshares. You must call to find out if the flight will qualify. When you call you find out that most ow airline codeshares not on OW metal do not qualify.

kingbat Dec 10, 2006 8:08 pm

I think one of the main problems regarding Oneworld Membership is the fact that KA cannot issue e-tickets accross partner airlines including CX. So if you were to buy a SYD-HKG-PVG ticket on CX/KA it would have to be a paper ticket.

Swanhunter Dec 11, 2006 12:28 am


Originally Posted by virtualtroy (Post 6824532)
I stand corrected, upon second glance at QFFF T&C, which aren't obviously transparent unless you dig a little deeper, it only becomes clear that this is the case when looking at this bit: http://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/...m/terms#jump23

You're right that the BAEC T&Cs make no specific reference to exclusion, therefore must be inferred to mean inclusion.

As noted below, if either the metal or code aren't OW, you earn nothing on BAEC. Been there, done that with a CX codeshare on MH.

I guess we will have to wait until if/when KA moves into the OW fold.

Guy Betsy Dec 12, 2006 9:26 pm

Announced today at www.oneworld.com !!

Dragonair is to join oneworld in 2007.

Austinrunner Dec 12, 2006 11:49 pm

Is Dragonair joining oneworld as an affiliate of Cathay Pacific or as a member in its own right?

christep Dec 12, 2006 11:59 pm


Originally Posted by Austinrunner (Post 6839749)
Is Dragonair joining oneworld as an affiliate of Cathay Pacific or as a member in its own right?

Surprisingly (or not) the link in the post immediately above yours answers this question.

virtualtroy Dec 13, 2006 12:44 am

So the appearance of CX designators against Dragonair op flights was more than a happy coincidence ^ ^


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