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number_6 Aug 16, 2006 1:03 pm
Originally Posted by NealScoones
In setting up my LONE3, I have a number of connections where I am not planning on actually stopping (e.g. DPS-HKG-BOM).

Would the taxes and airport fees be less if I had them ticket these as connections (Xs) rather than destinations (Os)? What if it's one of those long layovers (either all day or overnight) where it can be ticketed as an X but I would leave the airport?

Thanks!
Staying in transit does save on taxes (sometimes a lot, e.g. at LHR, and sometimes a little (e.g. most US airports) and of course you are allowed to leave the airport. If you change your travel date and the transit becomes a stopover, you will have to pay the additional tax before you are allowed to board.

Viajero Aug 16, 2006 1:17 pm
Originally Posted by number_6
...and of course you are allowed to leave the airport...
However, several airports will charge additional taxes/fees for going landside, even if your transit at that airport is less than 24hrs.

ReelChief Aug 16, 2006 2:40 pm
Thanks for your thoughts on the extra charges for the AONE5 ex-MRU. I realize that these charges are, in general, not dependent on the ticket price but was just using the % calculation as a guideline. In the QF example quoted by number_6 the maximum extra charge shown was about US$800 (AU$1043) versus my quoted US$1800. Their example was 16 segments, mine is 18-- and almost all mine involve stopovers rather than transits- (as their example seems to imply).

Alternatively, I looked up the fuel surcharges for each segment and it seems that they would account for less than $400 of the $1800. Also I did a segment-by-segment summation of all extra costs (as shown on the ITA pages with itemized costs) and this doesn't add much. Re the credit card surcharge, that seems unlikely because I have not discussed payment details with them. Im hoping I can get a detailed breakout from them.

Kiwi Flyer Aug 16, 2006 3:43 pm
$1800 does seem high. Mauritius doesn't appear to have a luxury tax (see QF's IATA tax summary) - in some countries this can add a high % to the purchase price.

MiamiBeach Aug 16, 2006 9:19 pm
Originally Posted by number_6
Staying in transit does save on taxes (sometimes a lot, e.g. at LHR, and sometimes a little (e.g. most US airports) and of course you are allowed to leave the airport. If you change your travel date and the transit becomes a stopover, you will have to pay the additional tax before you are allowed to board.
Does a transit in US airports save anything at all? At least on domestic itineraries it seems that it doesn't make any difference.

Also, changing a transit to a stopover requires reissue doesn't it?

christep Aug 16, 2006 10:15 pm
Originally Posted by MiamiBeach
Also, changing a transit to a stopover requires reissue doesn't it?
Yes.

number_6 Aug 17, 2006 12:21 am
Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
$1800 does seem high. Mauritius doesn't appear to have a luxury tax (see QF's IATA tax summary) - in some countries this can add a high % to the purchase price.
Looks like the TA has a luxury tax, even if the country does not.

manar Aug 17, 2006 5:02 am
Originally Posted by NealScoones
In setting up my LONE3, I have a number of connections where I am not planning on actually stopping (e.g. DPS-HKG-BOM).

Would the taxes and airport fees be less if I had them ticket these as connections (Xs) rather than destinations (Os)? What if it's one of those long layovers (either all day or overnight) where it can be ticketed as an X but I would leave the airport?

Thanks!
You shouldn't have to pay airport taxes for transit, though fuel charges will naturally still apply. Transit in theory is <24 hours but I had to pay taxes at Tokyo (Cathay) when I did 18 hours overnight as it was "a different day". I guess if you leave the airport you run the risk of airport taxes. Some countries such as Thailand also charge at security for all international traffic - not something I can see avoided if you left the transit area.

JohnAx Aug 17, 2006 8:34 am
Originally Posted by MiamiBeach
Does a transit in US airports save anything at all? At least on domestic itineraries it seems that it doesn't make any difference.

Also, changing a transit to a stopover requires reissue doesn't it?
With AA at least I'd expect that the check-in agent wouldn't bother, although I'd show up well before flight just in case. Not sure about the discipline at the other OW carriers.

christep Aug 17, 2006 11:30 am
Originally Posted by manar
You shouldn't have to pay airport taxes for transit
Yes, but that depends on the definition of "transit". The IATA definition, which most airlines stick to is <24hrs, but each airport has its own. As a previous poster said, in HKG you have to pay tax if your departure is on a different calendar day from your arrival. In principle this could only be a 45 minute transit.

JohnAx Aug 17, 2006 3:34 pm
Originally Posted by christep
Yes, but that depends on the definition of "transit". The IATA definition, which most airlines stick to is <24hrs, but each airport has its own. As a previous poster said, in HKG you have to pay tax if your departure is on a different calendar day from your arrival. In principle this could only be a 45 minute transit.
That (HKG departure tax rule) makes it hard on airlines who sell date/time changeable tickets like ONE's.

SLF Aug 18, 2006 1:45 am
Originally Posted by Traveloguy
Moral of the story is that QF charge the highest surcharges. Not really any surprise. :(
...and have now increased them.

Originally Posted by qantas.com.au
Sydney, 18 August 2006

Qantas said today that, due to continuing record fuel prices, it would increase its international fuel surcharges for tickets issued on or after 31 August 2006.

The Executive General Manager of Qantas, John Borghetti, said that Qantas would also introduce a new four-level system for its surcharges, based on the distance travelled.

"For example, the fuel surcharge for our longest flight from Australia to London will be higher than for a mid-range flight from Australia to Singapore or Hong Kong," he said.

The new surcharges (AUD), for tickets issued on or after 31 August 2006, will be:

Qantas international destinations (from Australia, one-way)
- UK and Europe: New surcharge - $185 Previous surcharge - $98* $196#
- Mainland USA, Canada, South America, South Africa and India: New surcharge - $145 Previous surcharge - $98
- Asia, Pacific, Honolulu: New surcharge - $115 Previous surcharge - $98
- New Zealand: New surcharge - $65 Previous surcharge - $56

* for a direct flight # for a two-sector journey (eg, changing flights at a mid point/stopping over)

milksheikh Aug 18, 2006 6:40 pm
I assume that a *ONE* bought before 8/31/06 will lock in the current QF fuel surcharges (even for flights after 8/31/06)? And if it is reissued later, the fuel surcharges may be recalculated at the post-8/31/06 rates?

Speaking of fuel surcharges, some of CX's are a little illogical. According to ITA, taking a direct flight from KHI to HKG (with stop in BKK) has a CX fuel surcharge of ~$61, whereas taking two different flight numbers KHI-BKK and BKK-HKG has a fuel surcharge of ~$15. Same route taken, same air miles flown. The table of CX fuel surcharges linked earlier supports this -- long-haul flights to/from HKG are $61, short-haul to/from HKG are $15, and others are $0, but it somehow doesn't seem fair (if you are flying on the "direct" flight)...

Dave Noble Aug 18, 2006 7:11 pm
Originally Posted by milksheikh
I assume that a *ONE* bought before 8/31/06 will lock in the current QF fuel surcharges (even for flights after 8/31/06)? And if it is reissued later, the fuel surcharges may be recalculated at the post-8/31/06 rates?

Speaking of fuel surcharges, some of CX's are a little illogical. According to ITA, taking a direct flight from KHI to HKG (with stop in BKK) has a CX fuel surcharge of ~$61, whereas taking two different flight numbers KHI-BKK and BKK-HKG has a fuel surcharge of ~$15. Same route taken, same air miles flown. The table of CX fuel surcharges linked earlier supports this -- long-haul flights to/from HKG are $61, short-haul to/from HKG are $15, and others are $0, but it somehow doesn't seem fair (if you are flying on the "direct" flight)...
The QF fuel surcharges will only be calculated if you have the ticket reissued by QF. Get it done by another carrier and their fuel surcharges will apply

As far as fair goes, are fuel surcharges fair anyway?

Dave

JohnAx Aug 18, 2006 11:29 pm
Originally Posted by Dave Noble
The QF fuel surcharges will only be calculated if you have the ticket reissued by QF. Get it done by another carrier and their fuel surcharges will apply
Dave
That is Alice-in-Wonderland insane! If you reissue with AA, for a hypothetical, is their rate desk going to apply AA fuel surcharges to all the remaining segments, even those not operated by AA? If during the original issue you already paid a higher fuel surcharge, will you earn a refund during the reissue? If you now pay an AA surcharge for a QF leg, will the Qantas agent collect the difference when you check in? Or simply demand the full amount for that segment?


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