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under the clocks Jul 4, 2006 3:01 pm

Pricing ex Australia
 
I am in the process of booking a short DONE4 for travel comencing in August.

The list price ex Australia is A$9,609 + taxes. Do TA's have scope to reduce this fare, or is it a hard and fast cost?

In the past previous TA's have offered better than list price, however the current one is refusing to budge. Will a move of the list price eat there margin, and if so what is a realistic best price I could expect to get?

number_6 Jul 4, 2006 5:30 pm

Years ago when pricing ex-NZ was attractive I bought one from a travel agent in AKL and they volunteered a 2% rebate. Supposedly their commission was 4% at the time, fwiw (this was a large agency). But they had no work to do (I gave them a valid itinerary, with dates/flight numbers).

alect Jul 4, 2006 6:01 pm


Originally Posted by number_6
Years ago when pricing ex-NZ was attractive I bought one from a travel agent in AKL and they volunteered a 2% rebate. Supposedly their commission was 4% at the time, fwiw (this was a large agency). But they had no work to do (I gave them a valid itinerary, with dates/flight numbers).

Doing something similar I used to use a Flight Centre TA and he did give me a price below the published price - but only to match what I found on BestFlights.com.au

recently he has not given discounts to my family in MEL when they purchase RTW tickets.

QF ExLurker Jul 4, 2006 7:17 pm

Two weeks ago Ms QF ExLurker bought a Star RTW in Sydney CBD. Two agents both refused to budge off list price, and both wanted credit card surcharge. Eventually paid list price plus half the credit card surcharge, i.e. 1% instead of 2%.

QG Jul 4, 2006 10:17 pm


Originally Posted by number_6
Years ago when pricing ex-NZ was attractive I bought one from a travel agent in AKL and they volunteered a 2% rebate. Supposedly their commission was 4% at the time, fwiw (this was a large agency). But they had no work to do (I gave them a valid itinerary, with dates/flight numbers).

Ex-NZ still looks very attractive - going by the latest 1 Jul fares, ex-NZ is still in the top 10 cheapest for AONE fares and certainly cheaper than ex-BKK for DONE!

Leumas Jul 5, 2006 2:17 am


Originally Posted by QG
Ex-NZ still looks very attractive - going by the latest 1 Jul fares, ex-NZ is still in the top 10 cheapest for AONE fares and certainly cheaper than ex-BKK for DONE!

Apart from the LA flight, there're no other other first class seats to/from NZ, together with Y-only domestic flights, there aren't many reasons to buy an AONE ticket in NZ...

serfty Jul 5, 2006 2:22 am

Going by the latest July changes, WBZ's spreadsheet indicates the following useful DONE4 prices for Oz residents (AUD's):
Code:

Sri Lanka      $6,761
Pakistan        $6,932
Mauritius      $6,959
India          $7,237
Bangladesh      $7,501
South Africa    $7,544
Taiwan          $8,193
Indonesia      $8,201
Japan          $8,310
Philippines    $8,334
New Zealand    $8,377
Thailand        $8,429
Australia Peak  $9,609

CMB seem to still be the best place to start...

3544quebec Jul 5, 2006 8:59 am


Originally Posted by serfty
Going by the latest July changes, WBZ's spreadsheet indicates the following useful DONE4 prices for Oz residents (AUD's):
Code:

Sri Lanka      $6,761
Pakistan        $6,932
India          $7,237
Bangladesh      $7,501
South Africa    $7,544
Taiwan          $8,193
Indonesia      $8,201
Japan          $8,310
Philippines    $8,334
New Zealand    $8,377
Thailand        $8,429
Australia Peak  $9,609

CMB seem to still be the best place to start...

What about Mauritius especially when you can get a 12 month validity business class return from SYD-MRU on Air Mauritius for $AU2700 (even cheaper from Perth)

number_6 Jul 5, 2006 11:57 am


Originally Posted by 3544quebec
What about Mauritius especially when you can get a 12 month validity business class return from SYD-MRU on Air Mauritius for $AU2700 (even cheaper from Perth)

Remember that MRU origin xONEx cannot return to MRU -- they must return to Nairobi, Lagos or Accra ... so you have to add in the expense of flying from the OWE endpoint back to MRU or wherever.

Gardyloo Jul 5, 2006 12:02 pm


Originally Posted by number_6
Remember that MRU origin xONEx cannot return to MRU -- they must return to Nairobi, Lagos or Accra ... so you have to add in the expense of flying from the OWE endpoint back to MRU or wherever.

I believe they can as of September, when Comair starts their JNB-MRU service (HKG/SYD-JNB-MRU or v.v.)

3544quebec Jul 5, 2006 12:22 pm


Originally Posted by number_6
Remember that MRU origin xONEx cannot return to MRU -- they must return to Nairobi, Lagos or Accra ... so you have to add in the expense of flying from the OWE endpoint back to MRU or wherever.

And they can also return to JNB,VFA,HRE,CPT,DUR,WDH,PTZ and anywhere else that Commair flys from JNB

number_6 Jul 5, 2006 1:59 pm


Originally Posted by 3544quebec
And they can also return to JNB,VFA,HRE,CPT,DUR,WDH,PTZ and anywhere else that Commair flys from JNB

Absolutely not, unless Comair is also serving the 3 gateway cities (and I suppose they must be serving at least one). The 2nd entry into Africa is only allowed to the 3 specified cities, so you cannot fly LHR-JNB or LHR-CPT (or MAD-JNB, etc) if you originate in MRU! Very important and inconvenient rule (unless this rule has been changed in the past week).

The return to Africa has to be LHR-ACC/whatever you want to do in Africa, probably surface segment to JNB. Likely to be a somewhat expensive one-way ticket (or a long and gruesome land journey).

edited to add that I almost always go eastbound (it is so much more efficient), thus I cannot do HKG-JNB-MRU or SYD-JNB-MRU but have to re-enter from Europe. For westbound the new Comair service does solve the MRU problem nicely, but can it be booked yet?

Tellmewheretogo Jul 5, 2006 2:44 pm

How to get around Minimum Fare requirements
 
I noticed that one of the rules on the RTW states that that country of origin can't be any cheaper that the country of purchase but it sounds like most are still getting the good rates out Australia and New Zealand... Since I'm from Seattle, I was thinking about visiting my sister in LA first and then flying from LAX to New Zealand where I would start my RTW.

Can someone give me some ideas on how I get around this minimum fare requirement? I'd like to break my year long trip into two halves and I see that this would be the easiest way but I don't necessarily want to pay the extra amount if I can avoid it.

Kiwi Flyer Jul 5, 2006 3:26 pm


Originally Posted by QG
Ex-NZ still looks very attractive - going by the latest 1 Jul fares, ex-NZ is still in the top 10 cheapest for AONE fares and certainly cheaper than ex-BKK for DONE!

With the continuing fall of NZ $ against AU $ it is an attractive origin for someone based in Australia - very cheap and easy to get to especially the east coast.

Tellmewheretogo - if you're starting from NZ then you need an NZ TA (or airline office in NZ or make use of the Canada exception).

Gardyloo Jul 5, 2006 3:37 pm


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
...if you're starting from NZ then you need an NZ TA (or airline office in NZ or make use of the Canada exception).

The "Canada exception" is a Star Alliance bennie not offered for OW RTWs, more's the pity.

yellow77 Jul 5, 2006 3:41 pm


Originally Posted by number_6
edited to add that I almost always go eastbound (it is so much more efficient), thus I cannot do HKG-JNB-MRU or SYD-JNB-MRU but have to re-enter from Europe. For westbound the new Comair service does solve the MRU problem nicely, but can it be booked yet?

I don't understand why MRU-JNB-HKG/SYD-...-LHR-MRU or MRU-JNB-HKG/SYD-...-LHR-JNB-MRU won't be possible, or even MRU-JNB-HKG/SYD-...-LHR-CPT/HRE-JNB-MRU. If you want to allow further surface segments then the options multiply (eg MRU-JNB-HKG/SYD-...-LHR-NBO; VFA-JNB-MRU).

number_6 Jul 5, 2006 4:30 pm

I want to do Africa-Europe-Asia-NA-Europe-Africa if originating in MRU, and this is not allowed. When the only service ex-MRU was MRU-LHR it also was prohibited to go MRU-JNB-SYD or HKG (but this will be allowed once the Comair service JNB-MRU is operating). However that still doesn't help with the "dual entry into Europe from Africa" problem, which is really what I was commenting on before.

Dave Noble Jul 5, 2006 4:39 pm


Originally Posted by Tellmewheretogo

Can someone give me some ideas on how I get around this minimum fare requirement? I'd like to break my year long trip into two halves and I see that this would be the easiest way but I don't necessarily want to pay the extra amount if I can avoid it.

Perhaps call an agency such as Flight Centre and buy the ticket from them and then either (a) get them to post the ticket to you or (b) collect it when in NZ. If it is for a business or first ticket, if you can hold the booking, you ould also just purchase on arrival at a QF ticket desk in NZ since there is no Advance Purchase requirement (other than 1 hour) for non economy OWEs ex NZ

Dave

3544quebec Jul 6, 2006 10:00 am


Originally Posted by number_6
Absolutely not, unless Comair is also serving the 3 gateway cities (and I suppose they must be serving at least one). The 2nd entry into Africa is only allowed to the 3 specified cities, so you cannot fly LHR-JNB or LHR-CPT (or MAD-JNB, etc) if you originate in MRU! Very important and inconvenient rule (unless this rule has been changed in the past week).

The return to Africa has to be LHR-ACC/whatever you want to do in Africa, probably surface segment to JNB. Likely to be a somewhat expensive one-way ticket (or a long and gruesome land journey).

edited to add that I almost always go eastbound (it is so much more efficient), thus I cannot do HKG-JNB-MRU or SYD-JNB-MRU but have to re-enter from Europe. For westbound the new Comair service does solve the MRU problem nicely, but can it be booked yet?


So your "absolutely not" really meant "absolutely not for what I want to do" but doesn't preclude anyone wanting to do a RTW going MRU-LHR-LAX-SYD-JNB or LAX-HKG-JNB and onwards to any of the Commair ports I mentioned? And as my post mentioned nothing about flying LHR-CPT or LHR-JNB I'm not too sure what exactly you are saying is wrong with the info given in my post.

headinclouds Jul 6, 2006 1:02 pm

Westbound RTW ex-Africa were always OK since one could return to Africa via Asia or SWP. Eastbound RTW ex-Africa required 2 passes thru Europe one of which must be a transit thru Europe enroute to Ghana/Nigeria/Kenya/Tanzania/Uganda. The addition of the Comair JNB-MRU flight would allow an eastbound RTW ex-MRU since you could get to Asia/SWP without going thru Europe.
By the way, I have not found the JNB-MRU flight on ba.com or any of its associated sites.

Gardyloo Jul 6, 2006 1:55 pm


Originally Posted by headinclouds
By the way, I have not found the JNB-MRU flight on ba.com or any of its associated sites.

Of course not. However, you can book it on aa.com. (Saturdays only, eff. 16 Sept.)


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