RTW ex LHR
 

Hi, after spending a few hours researching through all the posts i think i have finally come up with a route. Can you please tell me if this is allowed? I think this is right!

So for a AONE5


LHR-YYZ-DEN-LAX-LAS-MIA-MBJ-MIA-HNL-SYD-ALK-HKG-NRT-TPE-ICN-HKG-BKK-SIN-HKG-JNB-LHR

Stop-overs are in bold and buying 1 extra seg in N.america

1) Is that allowed?
2) Is MIA-MBJ-MIA are correct route - i used a link on another website and it kept erroring it.
3) Can anyone see a way to improve this route?

Thanks alot in advance.

7 segments in Asia; 4 are permitted. Can't make heads or tails of your stopovers, as the bolded cities make no sense (unless maybe you have confused stopovers with transits and v.v.).

AA flies MIA-MBJ-MIA so that is fine.

A few problems:
- As noted above, you have far too many Asia segments.
- There is no OW carrier that flies YYZ-DEN nonstop, so it would take two segments. This would also push your total segments above 20.

Also, the stopovers are of no consequence. The only rule on stopovers is that you are allowed only 2 in your continent of origin, and you are OK there.

A question to the experts here:
Since MIA-HNL is a one-stop flight, does that count as 1 segment, or two?

One if it's AA283, plus the city pair is not on the proscribed transcon list, so doesn't count against that total either. Of course one can't return to the mainland on a OWE ticket (so must continue to SYD.)

chudsy, you should also be aware that there are only a few international first-class segments on this itinerary. On all your listed N. America flights on AA a D-class ticket would book into A inventory (FC) and AA's Canadian and Caribbean services are labled as business rather than FC. LAX-LAS is all economy on Eagle. Qantas' HNL-SYD flight doesn't offer FC, CX doesn't offer it to JNB, and only a couple of CX's intra-Asia flights have a first class cabin. Not to discourage your subsidy of the airlines, but if you want an A-class ticket you might want to check out where it would offer the best value.

AKL-HKG is another sector with no F cabin.

chudsy, a great tool for checking the validity of your itinerary is one developed by hauteboy. You can find it at http://jph.bytestacker.com/award.htm.

Ok going through Hawaii was causing me too many problems so i have changed my plan. i think finally its 3rd time lucky.

LHR-YYZ-ORD-LAS-LAX-MIA-JFK-GRU-SCL-AKL-MEL-DRW-PER-SYD-NRT-HKG-BKK-SIN-HKG-JNB-LHR

Can any1 see how i can improve this to max value using a AONE6?

The website link http://jph.bytestacker.com/award.htm seems to think this is ok.

Thanks in advance for all the help. I'm currently only a Virgin FF, i am planning to get a BA card is that going to be the best for me? Seeing as im from the UK i think im much more likely to fly BA than AA,CX,LA,QF.

Be aware, SYD-NRT doesn't have F service, but only C service.
SCL-AKL has F service, however, it is very hard to get a class A fare seat.
As mentioned by many people,
HKG-JNB has F service during only summer season of south hemisphere (OCT to MAR ?)

Thanks.

I can get around the SYD-NRT by taking SYD-HKG-NRT-HKG and having to miss out singapore which doesnt bother me too much. Making the new route -


LHR-YYZ-ORD-LAS-LAX-MIA-JFK-GRU-SCL-AKL-MEL-DRW-PER-SYD-HKG-NRT-xHKG-BKK-xHKG-JNB-LHR

Is that correct and allowed? I'm not passing through HKG too many times..am i?

Im planning to travel the HKG-JNB leg sometime between (OCT-MAR) so that shouldnt be too much of a problem either.



Thank alot

Richard

That was what I thought, but I wasn't sure. Thanks!

Are MEL-DRW and PER-SYD considered 2 Australian transcons? Those rules always confused me. If the RTW validator says it's ok, I imagine it is, but figure I'd raise it anyway.

That's fine. Do you need to go to YYZ for any specific reason? You might also consider YVR for extra miles and more time to enjoy the F service. YVR is a great city, particularly in the summer. The rest of the year its cool and rainy, but will still be lots warmer than YYZ... I think AA flies YVR-ORD in the summer, if not, you can do YVR-DFW and sub DFW for ORD.

You might also consider dropping the LAS-LAX leg since it's Eagle on a regional jet (all-coach), and purchase that separately, either on AA or any other airline, that would free up another N. Amer segment for you to maximize mileage and service. So maybe LHR-YVR-DFW-ORD-LAS, LAX-MIA...

Then, consider substituting GIG (Rio) for GRU, there is a 1-stop direct JFK-GIG, and I assume LA will fly GIG-SCL (If not, then stick with GRU or purchase GIG-GRU separately). GIG is much more of a tourist destination than GRU. Alternatively, EZE is a really great tourist city. No F service on JFK-EZE, but you can tweak your routing: ...LAX-JFK-MIA-EZE-SCL... You'd probably lose some miles vs. the GRU/GIG option, but that should be omre than made up by flying your N.Amer. transcon on LAX-JFK in 3-class "flagship" service, which will be much better than LAX-MIA, even if you get on the 763 on that route. Good chance of seeing a celebrity too...

See, I told you we could be more helpful if you did your homework first! ;)

Hey, thanks alot man you've been a great help.

Can i just run this by you.. I'm keen to go to YYZ cos i have a friend there. And i cant change the GRU-SCL cos GIG stops at GRU then goes onto SCL.


LHR-YVR-DFW-LAS,LAX-MIA-ORD-YYZ-JFK-GRU-SCL-AKL-MEL-DRW-PER-SYD-HKG-NRT-xHKG-BKK-xHKG-JNB-LHR

So. I need to buy a ticket for LAS-LAX. And a return for GRU-GIG.

Just one thing than i cant seem to work out. For SYD-HKG-NRT-xHKG-BKK-xHKG-JNB. I want to STAY for more than 24hrs in SYD-HKG-NRT in that order and then go from NRT via HKG (spending less than 24hrs in HKG) - on to BKK then back to HKG to catch a flight to JNB. So the total for that section is 5 sectors or is it 6? I dont know how to work it out.

OR

taking your lax-jfk link in.

LHR-YVR-DFW-LAS,LAX-JFK-MIA-ORD-YYZ-JFK-GRU-SCL-AKL-MEL-DRW-PER-SYD-HKG-NRT-xHKG-BKK-xHKG-JNB-LHR

1) Is that more than 20? I can tell using that program on http://jph.bytestacker.com/award.htm
2) Clearly for that route im going to have to purchase 1 extra segment in N.america correct?
3) Can i make one of those JFK's a (less than 24hr visit - cos i dont want to be stuck there for min 10 days twice!)

Its finally coming together.

Thanks again,

Richard

136N . 7. WITHIN AUSTRALIA - 1 NONSTOP OR SINGLE PLANE
137N . FLIGHT PERMITTED BETWEEN THE FOLLOWING
138N . CITIES:
139N . * BNE/CNS/SYD AND PER
140N . EXCEPTION - NO RESTRICTION BETWEEN SYD-PER
141N . FOR
142N . PASSENGERS ORIGINATING PER OR NEW ZEALAND
143N . WHEN IN
144N . CONJUNCTION WITH TRAVEL TO/FROM AFRICA
145N . * MEL/SYD AND DRW
146N . * MEL/SYD AND BME
147N . EXCEPTION - NO RESTRICTION BETWEEN SYD/MEL-
148N . PER
149N . FOR PASSENGERS ORIGINATING IN PER WHEN IN
150N . CONJUNCTION WITH TRAVEL TO/FROM
151N . JNB/BOM/SHA/PEK

The by all means, go ahead!
This isn't a problem -- the GIG-SCL flights on LAN stop in GRU, but they are "direct" flights, with a single flight number (e.g., LA#751, LA#755). That is the key on the OWE fares in terms of the segment limitations (4 per continent / 20 total max). In terms of the ticket, it doesn't matter if it is non-stop or one-stop (on the same flight number), it still only counts as one segment. So you can still do JFK-GIG-SCL and it will be only 2 segments, even though it's actually 4 "legs" -- JFK-(GRU)-GIG-(GRU)-SCL.


Nope, see above.
It doesn't matter how long you stay in a city, except for the rule that limits stopovers in your continent of origin, which isn't a problem for you since your first segment is transcontinental. The number of segments is determined by the number of unique flight numbers in your itinerary. As there are no direct, single flight number flights from NRT-BKK (via HKG), you will need to use two segments, one NRT-BKK and one BKK-HKG. So in total you are using 6 segments for SYD-JNB.
That's 22 segments. Count up the "-"s

Yes, you have 5 segments in NA. But you also have 22 total, so that needs to be worked out first.
It doesn't matter. I don't know what you mean by being "stuck" there.

Very very slowly. ;) Apparently you also have a problem with your intra-Australia segments, as per my post and the response above. At least I think there is a problem. I won't be much help on that front.

What is it now that suddenly many different people are mixing xONEx fares with those 24h stopover limits...maybe something needs to be checked with the stickies...or maybe some people are just too lazy to read them through... :)

The 24h limit is only relevant in 2 cases:

1. within continent of origin where only 2 stopovers are allowed.
2. when having second entry to a certain continent(s) which has to be a transit