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mrboh Apr 9, 2006 12:35 am

The oneworld network thread
 
Since I love facts, figures and statistics, I thought I'd compile some for the oneworld network. Please feel free to submit additions, corrections or suggestions for new items and I will update the thread as appropriate. If anyone can fill in some of the blanks that would be great too :D

Member Airlines
American Airlines (AA), Finnair (AY), British Airways (BA), Cathay Pacific (CX), Aer Lingus (EI), Iberia (IB), LAN (LA), Qantas (QF)

Airlines Affiliated with Member Airlines
American Airlines: American Eagle Airlines (MQ), Trans States Airlines (AX), Chautauqua Airlines (RP), RegionsAir (3C)
Finnair: (no affiliates)
British Airways: BMED (KJ), BA Connect (TH), Comair (MN), GB Airways (GT), Loganair (LC), Sun-Air (EZ)
Cathay Pacific: (no affiliates)
Aer Lingus: (no affiliates)
Iberia: Air Nostrum (YW)
LAN: LAN Express (LA), LAN Peru (LP)
Qantas: QantasLink (QF), Jetconnect (QF)

Largest Aircraft
Equipment name: Boeing 747-400
Equipment code: 744
Maximum passengers: 416 (3-class) or 524 (2-class)
Maximum take off weight (MTOW): 412,769 kg / 910,000 lb
Operated by: BA, CX, IB, QF
Flight segments (BA): LHR-BKK, LHR-BOM, LHR-BOS, LHR-CPT, LHR-DEL, LHR-EZE, LHR-GIG, LHR-GRU, LHR-HKG, LHR-IAD, LHR-ISB, LHR-JFK, LHR-JNB, LHR-LAX, LHR-LOS, LHR-MEX, LHR-MIA, LHR-NRT, LHR-ORD, LHR-PHX, LHR-SEA, LHR-SFO, LHR-SIN, LHR-SYD, LHR-YVR, LHR-YYZ
Flight segments (CX): HKG-BKK, HKG-CDG, HKG-FCO, HKG-FRA, HKG-ICN, HKG-JFK, HKG-KIX, HKG-KUL, HKG-LAX, HKG-LHR, HKG-MNL, HKG-NRT, HKG-SFO, HKG-SIN, HKG-TPE, HKG-YVR
Flight segments (IB): ???
Flight segments (QF): BNE-LAX, MEL-AKL, MEL-HKG, MEL-LAX, MEL-LHR, MEL-SIN, SYD-BKK, SYD-FRA, SYD-HKG, SYD-JFK, SYD-JNB, SYD-LAX, SYD-LHR, SYD-SFO, SYD-SIN, SYD-YVR

Smallest Aircraft
Equipment name: De Havilland Canada Twin Otter
Equipment code: DHT
Maximum passengers: 20
Maximum take off weight (MTOW): 5,670 kg / 12,500 lb
Operated by: LC
Flight segments (LC): BRR-BEB, GLA-BRR, GLA-CAL, GLA-TRE

Longest-Range Aircraft
Equipment name: Airbus A340-600
Equipment code: 346
Maximum passengers: 380 (3-class)
Maximum take off weight (MTOW): 380,000 kg / 837,800 lb
Operating range: 14,600 km / 7,900 nm
Operated by: CX, IB
Flight segments (CX): HKG-JFK
Flight segments (IB): MAD-BOG, MAD-CCS, MAD-EZE, MAD-GIG, MAD-GUA, MAD-GYE, MAD-JFK, MAD-JNB, MAD-LIM, MAD-MEX, MAD-MIA, MAD-MVC, MAD-ORD, MAD-PTY, MAD-SJO, MAD-UIO

Routing Data
Longest single flight segment: SYD-LHR (10,556 miles) on BA/QF
Other long single flight segments: MEL-LHR (10,495 miles) on QF, SYD-FRA (10,261 miles) on QF, SYD-JFK (9,974 miles) on QF
Longest non-stop flight segment: HKG-JFK (8,068 miles) on CX
Other long non-stop flight segments: MEL-LAX (7,935 miles) on QF, SYD-LAX (7,502 miles) on QF, HKG-LAX (7,255 miles) on CX
Shortest flight segment: BRR-BEB (31 miles) on BA
Other short flight segments: BLT-EMD (39 miles) on QF, NAA-MRZ (56 miles) on QF, GLA-CAL (57 miles) on BA

oneworld Continents
oneworld countries in 'Africa' zone: Angola, Ethiopia, Ghana, Kenya, Mauritius, Namibia, Nigeria, Senegal, South Africa, Tanzania, Uganda, Zambia, Zimbabwe
oneworld countries in 'Asia' zone: Bangladesh, China, India, Indonesia, Japan, Kazakstan, Krygyzstan, Malaysia, Pakistan, Philippines, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam, Uzbekistan
oneworld countries in 'Europe' zone: Albania, Algeria, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Egypt, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Iran, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Kuwait, Latvia, Lebanon, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Morocco, Netherlands, Norway, Oman, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Romania, Russian Federation, Serbia and Montenegro, Spain, Sudan, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Turkey, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom
oneworld countries in 'North America' zone: Antigua and Barbuda, Aruba, Barbados, Belize, Bermuda, Canada, Cayman Islands, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico, Netherlands Antilles, Nicaragua, Panama, Puerto Rico, Saint Lucia, Trinidad and Tobago, Turks and Caicos Islands, United States of America, US Virgin Islands
oneworld countries in 'South America' zone: Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Uruguay, Venezuela
oneworld countries in 'South-West Pacific' zone: Australia, New Caledonia, New Zealand

oneworld Explorers
Longest continuous xONE3 routing: ???
Longest continuous xONE4 routing: JFK-SJU-DFW-ANC-DFW-SJU-LAX-SCL-CCS-SCL-CCS-SCL-LAX-LHR-MCT-LHR-HKG-KHI-HKG-JFK = 71,448 miles
Longest continuous xONE5 routing: ???
Longest continuous xONE6 routing: ??? SYD-PER-NRT-HKG-JNB-LHR-MCT-LHR-LAX-SCL-CCS-SCL-BOG-SCL-JFK-DFW-ANC-DFW-JFK-HKG-SYD = 77,426 miles
Other notable xONEx routings:
  • Suggestions welcome!

Lounges of Repute
  • 'The Wing/The Pier' - HKG (CX)
  • Qantas Club - SYD (QF)

Lounges of Disrepute
  • ...

Sources: oneworld, Wikipedia, Boeing, Airbus

og Apr 9, 2006 5:37 am

I believe Cuba is part of OW North America?

Great information - especially the longest xONE4 - if you're brave!

Wasabi Tofu Apr 9, 2006 9:52 am


Originally Posted by mrboh
Longest known xONE4 routing: JFK-SJU-DFW-ANC-DFW-SJU-LAX-SCL-CCS-SCL-BOG-SCL-FRA,MAD-CAI-MAD,LHR-MCT-LHR-HKG-KHI-HKG-JFK = 71,284 miles

We should distinguish longest routing with surface segments and one without surface segments. Also, We had better distinguish starting continent/point.

If surface segments are permitted, following routing is longer than above.
Validator says this is 72,205. (Asiamile calculation is 72,073 miles).

cai-mad,lhr-mct-lhr-syd,cns-per,mel-akl-hkg-khi-hkg-khi-hkg-jfk-sju-dfw-anc-dfw-sju-lax-lhr,mad-cai

By the way, after JL joins xONEx fare, NRT-DEL is the longest intra Asia route.
It is about 3679 miles.

christep Apr 9, 2006 10:58 am


Originally Posted by Wasabi Tofu
By the way, after JL joins xONEx fare, NRT-DEL is the longest intra Asia route.
It is about 3679 miles.

I'm really looking forward to JL joining OneWorld - it opens up so many more possibilities in Asia without repeatedly hubbing through HKG! Although unfortunately quite a few useful routes (like NRT-DEL) seem to be 2-class only...

Dave_C Apr 9, 2006 11:03 am


Originally Posted by mrboh
Smallest Aircraft
Equipment name: SAAB 340B
Equipment code: SF3
Maximum passengers: 34
Maximum take off weight (MTOW): 13,200 kg / 29,000 lb
Operated by: MQ
Flight segments (MQ): DFW-LFT, DFW-TYR, LAX-SAN, LAX-SBA, LAX-SBP

Not true, it's the De-Havilland Twin Otter, operated by Logan Air on behalf of British Airways.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havi...C-6_Twin_Otter

MiamiBeach Apr 9, 2006 12:38 pm


Originally Posted by mrboh
oneworld countries in 'Asia' zone: Bangladesh, China, India, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, Pakistan, Philippines, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam
oneworld countries in 'Europe' zone: Albania, Algeria, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Egypt, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Iran, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Kazakstan, Krygyzstan, Kuwait, Latvia, Lebanon, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Morocco, Netherlands, Norway, Oman, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Romania, Russian Federation, Serbia and Montenegro, Spain, Sudan, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Turkey, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, Uzbekistan

I believe Kazakstan, Krygyzstan, Uzbekistan are part of Asia (not Europe). Also, I am not sure about the entire Russian Federation, Ekaterinburg may be considered Asia as well, but I am not 100% sure.

The 747-400ER is only flown by Qantas, the other airlines fly the 747-400.

Alan in CBR Apr 9, 2006 6:53 pm


Originally Posted by mrboh
Largest Aircraft
Equipment name: Boeing 747-400ER
Flight segments (QF): BNE-LAX, MEL-AKL, MEL-HKG, MEL-LHR, MEL-SIN, SYD-BKK, SYD-FRA, SYD-HKG, SYD-JFK, SYD-JNB, SYD-LAX, SYD-LHR, SYD-SFO, SYD-SIN, SYD-YVR

You can add MEL-LAX to this list.

Wasabi Tofu Apr 9, 2006 9:22 pm


Originally Posted by christep
I'm really looking forward to JL joining OneWorld - it opens up so many more possibilities in Asia without repeatedly hubbing through HKG! Although unfortunately quite a few useful routes (like NRT-DEL) seem to be 2-class only...

I forgot to mention the longest single flight number flight.
After JL joins xONEx fare,
NRT-SAO is abount 11,492 miles.
This flight stops at JFK, but still single flight number.

mrboh Apr 9, 2006 11:01 pm


Originally Posted by og
I believe Cuba is part of OW North America?

Yes indeed, added to the list.


Originally Posted by Wasabi Tofu
We should distinguish longest routing with surface segments and one without surface segments. Also, We had better distinguish starting continent/point.

I agree .. but I'm sure it's possible to come up with some utterly stupid routings involving surface segments so perhaps we should just limit it to continuous ones.


Originally Posted by Dave_C
Not true, it's the De-Havilland Twin Otter, operated by Logan Air on behalf of British Airways.

Oh noes! Post updated, and it would be really cool to take that flight that lands on the beach.


Originally Posted by MiamiBeach
I believe Kazakstan, Krygyzstan, Uzbekistan are part of Asia (not Europe). Also, I am not sure about the entire Russian Federation, Ekaterinburg may be considered Asia as well, but I am not 100% sure.

According to the OW timetable, those three are in fact part of Asia but Ekaterinburg is still considered to be in Europe.


Originally Posted by Alan in CBR
You can add MEL-LAX to this list.

Done and done.

Wasabi Tofu Apr 9, 2006 11:46 pm


Originally Posted by mrboh
Flight segments (CX): HKG-BKK, HKG-CDG, HKG-FCO, HKG-FRA, HKG-ICN, HKG-JFK, HKG-KIX, HKG-KUL, HKG-LAX, HKG-LHR, HKG-MNL, HKG-NRT, HKG-SFO, HKG-SIN, HKG-TPE, HKG-YVR

Longest continuous xONE4 routing: JFK-SJU-DFW-ANC-DFW-SJU-LAX-SCL-CCS-SCL-CCS-SCL-LAX-LHR-MCT-LHR-HKG-KHI-HKG-JFK = 71,448 miles

Additional CX routes.
HKG-AKL, HKG-DEL, HKG-BOM,HKG-CMB,HKG-DEL,HKG-DXB,HKG-KHI,HKG-YYZ, HKG-NGO, HKG-FUK, HKG-SPK, TPE-ICN, TPE-FUK,TPE-KIX,TPE-NGO,TPE-NRT,BKK-SIN,BKK-BOM,BKK-CMB,SIN-CMB,KHI-DXB,BKK-KHI,BOM-DXB

Hum, so missing....
Bye the way, Should I add code-share flight route ?

For xONE4,
JFK-SJU-DFW-ANC-DFW-SJU-LAX-SCL-CCS-SCL-CCS-SCL-LAX-LHR-MCT-LHR-NRT-HKG-KHI-HKG-JFK
is slightly longer.

JohnAx Apr 10, 2006 8:38 am


Originally Posted by og
I believe Cuba is part of OW North America?

Great information - especially the longest xONE4 - if you're brave!

But note that AA will not carry you if your xONEx touches Cuba.

headinclouds Apr 10, 2006 9:47 am


Originally Posted by JohnAx
But note that AA will not carry you if your xONEx touches Cuba.

And to add insult to injury, you can not have any AA segments nor can AA issue the ticket if Cuba is involved.

Traveloguy Apr 10, 2006 2:57 pm


Originally Posted by mrboh
Lounges of Repute
  • 'The Wing/The Pier' - HKG (CX)
  • Qantas Club - SYD (QF)

Not sure abou QC in SYD. I think the QF/BA lounge in SIN is the other great lounge on the OW network. SYD whilst good is a pretty standard lounge. Perhaps when they finish the renovation it will be up there.

gallagher Apr 10, 2006 3:09 pm

[QUOTE=mrboh]Flight segments (BA): LHR-BKK, LHR-BOM, LHR-BOS, LHR-CPT, LHR-DEL, LHR-EZE, LHR-GIG, LHR-GRU, LHR-HKG, LHR-IAD, LHR-ISB, LHR-JFK, LHR-JNB, LHR-LAX, LHR-LOS, LHR-MEX, LHR-MIA, LHR-NRT, LHR-ORD, LHR-PHX, LHR-SEA, LHR-SFO, LHR-SIN, LHR-SYD, LHR-YVR, LHR-YYZ

need to add LHR-MRU to the above list

Moomba Apr 10, 2006 3:11 pm

lounges of disrepute - either AA lounge at LHR

CX also fly 346 to HKG-LHR on some days of the week.

number_6 Apr 10, 2006 3:19 pm


Originally Posted by Moomba
lounges of disrepute - either AA lounge at LHR....

The AA arrivals lounge is excellent (lots of great shower suites --no waiting, and much faster internet access than at any of the BA lounges at LHR). The only drawback is the lack of a cooked breakfast, otherwise it is the ideal arrivals lounge. Used to have a nice gym, but nobody used it and it looks like the gym has been mothballed.

Traveloguy Apr 10, 2006 4:02 pm


Originally Posted by mrboh
Largest Aircraft
Equipment name: Boeing 747-400
Equipment code: 744
Maximum passengers: 416 (3-class) or 524 (2-class)
Maximum take off weight (MTOW): 412,769 kg / 910,000 lb
Operated by: BA, CX, IB, QF
Flight segments (BA): LHR-BKK, LHR-BOM, LHR-BOS, LHR-CPT, LHR-DEL, LHR-EZE, LHR-GIG, LHR-GRU, LHR-HKG, LHR-IAD, LHR-ISB, LHR-JFK, LHR-JNB, LHR-LAX, LHR-LOS, LHR-MEX, LHR-MIA, LHR-NRT, LHR-ORD, LHR-PHX, LHR-SEA, LHR-SFO, LHR-SIN, LHR-SYD, LHR-YVR, LHR-YYZ
Flight segments (CX): HKG-BKK, HKG-CDG, HKG-FCO, HKG-FRA, HKG-ICN, HKG-JFK, HKG-KIX, HKG-KUL, HKG-LAX, HKG-LHR, HKG-MNL, HKG-NRT, HKG-SFO, HKG-SIN, HKG-TPE, HKG-YVR
Flight segments (IB): ???
Flight segments (QF): BNE-LAX, MEL-AKL, MEL-HKG, MEL-LAX, MEL-LHR, MEL-SIN, SYD-BKK, SYD-FRA, SYD-HKG, SYD-JFK, SYD-JNB, SYD-LAX, SYD-LHR, SYD-SFO, SYD-SIN, SYD-YVR

The aircraft stats you quote are for the 747-400ER and not the 747-400. As stated by someone else, it is only flown by QF. It is also a slightly larger aircraft than the 747-400 as it has a larger cargo hold, fuel tanks etc.

QF flys it on all its routes, although its primary route is the MEL-LAX route due to the distance - the normal 400 can't quite make it (weight restricted anyhow).

keithguy Apr 10, 2006 7:08 pm


Originally Posted by mrboh
Airlines Affiliated with Member Airlines
Finnair: (no affiliates)

AY has Aero Airlines (EE) as an affiliate.

Alan in CBR Apr 10, 2006 7:30 pm


Originally Posted by Traveloguy
The aircraft stats you quote are for the 747-400ER and not the 747-400. As stated by someone else, it is only flown by QF. It is also a slightly larger aircraft than the 747-400 as it has a larger cargo hold, fuel tanks etc.

However the exterior dimensions of the 747-400ER and the 747-400 are identical. Namely:

Originally Posted by Boeing website
Code:

Basic Dimensions
  Wing Span            211 ft 5 in (64.4 m)
  Overall Length      231 ft 10 in (70.6 m)
  Tail Height          63 ft 8 in (19.4 m)
  Interior Cabin Width 20 ft 1.5 in (6.1 m)



ffay005 Apr 11, 2006 2:23 pm


Originally Posted by keithguy
AY has Aero Airlines (EE) as an affiliate.

I suppose Finncomm Airlines could be considered an affiliate as well (FC).


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