QF/AY Mixed Class
 

I'm not quite sure where to post this! I'm hopeless with reading fare conditions, and would appreciate your help. If anyone wants the full rules as a PDF, please email!

It's the mixed class AU-EU fare: QF in Y(L), AY shorthaul in Y(L), and AY Longhaul in J(I). Fare basis is AYQFEUEAYC/MIX. Surcharge A$220 to route Atlantic-Pacific once.

BNE-(MEL-ADL-PER- if possible!)SIN-HEL-LHR-stopover-HEL-JFK-LAX(on AY5731 is legal)-MEL-BNE.

Notes:

• Using SIN means BKK stop, but means better SCs with QF (5760 instead of 4890 miles)
• LAX-BNE not possible due to illegal connection AY5731. Planning to use QF94 over 108/208/12 for best chance of U/G with points, SCs, or OpUp http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Total fare before taxes AU$4,600

If I can MR through AU, then SCs are 10+10+20+20+160+20+20+100+60+40+10=470

Any holes please OW gurus? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

(Edited for poor maths)

[This message has been edited by willyroo (edited 07-09-2003).]

Thanks michaelblain for your review. It seems to mostly work, except I need to route LAX-SYD-BNE - no can do MEL. Bummer http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

So where's the review? I can only see Willyroo's postings. I am very interested in what you come up with here - it seems to be one of the best value for money J trips RTW ex Oz

I was fairly close to the mark, just too many transfers. Basically:

• Only 6 transfers allowed
• Open jaw is an option eg SIN-HEL-LHR//SomewhereElseOver1000miles-HEL-JFK, buy a 1 way cheapie
• Can't do LAX-MEL-BNE, so use LAX-SYD-BNE
• Very good cancellation - only A$125
• Maybe LAX-TYO(NRT)-BNE, but didn't look into it, on the surface doesn't work

Yes, og, another good SCs/$ equation methinks...

Isn't a DONE5 priced at roughly 50% more than this (about AUD 6000?) and would give you 300% more status credits, mileage and comfort? Unless you can't afford the extra AUD2000 or the time, it would seem to be uncompetitive with the OWE fares.
For example the following DONE5 routing would earn just under 2000 SCs and 63000 base miles (or over 110K miles with bonuses, depending on airline choice): syd-hkg-lhr-hel-lhr-dxb-lhr-yvr-jfk-mia-ord-anc-dfw-jfk-eze-scl-ipc-scl-eze-jfk-syd
Why are the QF/AY mixed class fares interesting given the much greater earning efficiency of the OWE fares?

Just taking a browse through some prices and it looks like the DONE5 is over $10,000 if you're paying with our Pacific Pesos (which would be $6,000ish in US$ depending on what those wacky currency traders whims are). So it does ratchet up the cost a fair bit to go the DONE5.

Number_6, I echo GibSpmuh's comments on cost & budgeting. I'd love to do the DONE5 and agree it is far better value for money, but I have two tickets to consider (Mrs og won't let me travel alone...) and there just arn't enough hours in a short holiday to pack in as many sectors as you quote. So it's back to the more modest fares and diplomacy of suggesting to the "boss" that we should fly from A to B via half the world in a most contorted line with many stopovers (transits) and club lounge visits. At least it's better than writing these messages or taking a bus.

og which bus are you talking about? I heard there is a good one in WA to earn SC's & points on! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

DONE5 is more than twice the price of the option I'm looking at. I've been "invited" to go to London in September for a very interesting oppportunity, but I'll have to spend my own money to do it. I agree with you number_6 that the DONEs are the best for $$/SCs, but sometimes the $$ are short!

It's either BNE-SIN in Y, SIN-HEL in J, or SYD/MEL-LHR in WT+ for the same price. The Atlantic routing was simply another way home, with some nice SCs to earn.

My TA just threw another one at me:

CX AUS-UK A$3,999: AUS-HGK 1 leg in Y, one in J. HGK-UK 1 leg in Y, one leg in J. The killer on this itin is that one of the ultra longhauls (HGK-UK or vv) must be in Y...

Willyroo, my understanding of the 3999 CX fare is either Oz-HKG or HKG-Europe can be J and the other Y, and the return is the same - either one is J the other Y. Therefore, I cannot see why you can't do the Euro sectors BOTH in J (and get the better SCs. Just slum it in the back of the "bus" from Oz. Check out the travel.com.au fare rules for this one (it's listed as a "business class" fare). This seems the least stressful way of collecting 370 SCs.

On the CX fare does anyone know what class the economy sectors are booked in? I assume the business sectors would be D or I.

The rules show that the economy sectors are booked in S and the business in I; must be ticketed by 30 July and travel must commence by 30 September.

I'd have to agree with Willyroo's assessment on the fare rules, the example given seems pretty clear. I'm sure plenty of people would be happy if that was a mistaken perception though http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

*** CX MIXED CLASS(BUSINESS/ECONOMY) TRAVEL O N L Y

O N E SECTOR IN BUSINESS CLASS PERMITTED EITHER FROM HONG KONG TO EUROPE O R V.V.;

O N E SECTOR IN BUSINESS CLASS PERMITTED EITHER FROM AUSTRALIA TO HONG KONG O R V.V.;

E.G. SYD-ECONOMY-HKG-BUSINESS-EUR-ECONOMY-HKG-BUSINESS-SYD).

Y (QF/CX/BA/EI/AY/IB) - booking class is "S"
Y (BD LON-BFS only) - booking class is "H"
J (CX) - booking class is "I"

I re-read the rules. You are right, I am wrong. I must have been somewhat enthused at the opportunities and didn't look deep enough! Bummer!