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mwielsch Nov 20, 2002 6:05 am

OW Rules Clarification
 
A stupid question:

Assuming I'm doing a JNB-HKG-CEB-HKG-BKK.
I have no choice than to go via HKG to BKK thus, is the CEB-HKG considered as '1 segment' if I'm spending less than 24 hours there or is CEB-HKG-BKK considered as 1 segment ?

A related one would be if I'm allow to do
PER-SYD-CNS-BNE-CHC//AKL-SYD-LAX-JFK
without buying the 5th extra segment.

Thanks !

BoPeep Nov 20, 2002 6:53 am

Each time you board an airplane you are flying one segment. Thus, when you connect to get to your destination, you have 2 segments.

Gaza Nov 20, 2002 8:20 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by BoPeep:
Each time you board an airplane you are flying one segment. Thus, when you connect to get to your destination, you have 2 segments.</font>
You are correct that in the above case it will count as a segment but you statement is not true in all cases. If it is a through flight on a single flight number and so long as you do not stop at the intermediate point and you are ticketed through to the final destination it is considered one segment. For example; the QF flight SYD to JFK stops at LAX. You disembark and clear INS and Customs before reboarding. The LAX-JFK leg does not count as a segment if you are ticketed SYD-JFK.

mwielsch Nov 20, 2002 9:56 am

Thanks for the clarification.

Too bad, it would have been nice.

number_6 Nov 20, 2002 5:30 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by mwielsch:
A related one would be if I'm allow to do
PER-SYD-CNS-BNE-CHC//AKL-SYD-LAX-JFK
without buying the 5th extra segment.
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While you cannot fly AKL-SYD without buying another segment, QF does fly AKL-LAX and you can go AKL-LAX instead of AKL-SYD-LAX (thereby avoiding buying another segment and the travel time to SYD -- since you can't possibly have been intending to stop in SYD, could you?).


JohnAx Nov 20, 2002 7:07 pm

These things used to confuse me. Probably still do. It might help someone to point out that 1 flight coupon = 1 OWE segment.

mwielsch Nov 21, 2002 8:14 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by number_6:
While you cannot fly AKL-SYD without buying another segment, QF does fly AKL-LAX and you can go AKL-LAX instead of AKL-SYD-LAX (thereby avoiding buying another segment and the travel time to SYD -- since you can't possibly have been intending to stop in SYD, could you?).
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Yes they do fly AKL-LAX and that was my fallback, unfortunately LAX is just a stopover and I wanted to go to SFO, thus doing a SYD-LAX-JFK-SFO would save me a flight (though JFK taxes are $80 if I'm not wrong so this is close to an extra segment)

Originally it was:
LAX-SFO-DFW-CUN-MIA-SJO-MIA-CDG
LAX and SFO are just stopover, I'm keeping MIA as it is the hub to connect easily with caribbeans flight which I might use later (a MIA-STT-MIA-CDG for example)

Flights to go to CUN or SJO waste me some segments, so I was trying to find some ideas as from the top of my head there is a JFK-CUN.

hillrider Nov 26, 2002 12:07 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by mwielsch:
(though JFK taxes are $80 if I'm not wrong so this is close to an extra segment)</font>
Nope. The rule of thumb for US taxes is $11 per extra flown segment: $4.50 XF to the airport (varies from 0.00 to 4.50), $4.00 ZP as segment tax, and $2.50 AY as security fee.

JFK "only" charges $3, and, assuming that you bought your RTW outside of the US, you don't have to pay the segment tax, so in your case you would be out a measley $5.50 by adding JFK to the trip.

mwielsch Nov 26, 2002 3:33 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by hillrider:
Nope. The rule of thumb for US taxes is $11 per extra flown segment: $4.50 XF to the airport (varies from 0.00 to 4.50), $4.00 ZP as segment tax, and $2.50 AY as security fee.

JFK "only" charges $3, and, assuming that you bought your RTW outside of the US, you don't have to pay the segment tax, so in your case you would be out a measley $5.50 by adding JFK to the trip.
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Woah, thanks !


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