oneworld's questionable safety
 

From Airwise.com:

The global oneworld alliance has come under fire from its own cockpit crews who are calling on member airlines and their partners to "clean up their act on labor relations and eroding safety margins."

The call came today from the oneworld Cockpit Crew Coalition at its meeting in Hong Kong.

The OCCC, which represents 28,000 cockpit crew worldwide, said it had overwhelming concern over evidence of some of the alliance's carriers intimidating employees who raise safety and security concerns.

"What has been happening in recent months within some oneworld members and partner airlines is very disturbing," said the organization's chairman, Captain Nigel Demery.

"While these are difficult times for the airline industry, adopting unfair labor practices or compromising commitments to safety simply will not result in better service or profitable airlines in the long-term.

"We believe in the concept around which the oneworld alliance was built, but it appears that some members' practices have clearly strayed far off course."

The OCCC appointed a Task Force to investigate the disparity between Alliance members and partner airlines' standards and to make more detailed recommendations regarding further action on the issues.

Oneworld member airlines are Aer Lingus, American, British Airways, Cathay Pacific, Finnair, Iberia, LanChile, Japan Airlines, Swiss and Qantas). The alliance also has a number of code-share affiliates.

[This message has been edited by crazycrab955 (edited 10-10-2002).]

I notice this report lists SWISS as a Oneworld airline. Is this a sign of things to come?




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I think the report has too many errors to be 100% credible? JL isn't a oneworld airline though it is associated with several.

And what has all this to do with SQ?? Is SQ planning on defecting from *A and joining 1W? As other posters have pointed out, Swiss and JAL are NOT OW members.

JAL could just as easily go to SkyTeam as it could OneHeathroWorld.

As much as it pains me to say this... if you look at the number of fatalities per airline, which can be seen at www.airdisaster.com, SkyTeam is by far the worse in safety.

At one point; it appeared that Korean Air, China Airlines http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/eek.gif, and AeroFlot would all be in the same alliance! And you guys are worried about OneHeathroWorld?!? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/tongue.gif

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[This message has been edited by ConcordeBoy (edited 10-12-2002).]

I'm unable to open that URL. Would you please confirm whether the address is correct ? Thanks.

Just remove the comma at the end. http://www.airdisaster.com/

While JL is definitely not part of oneworld, JL's crew union (and LX's as well) seems to be part of oneworld cockpit crew coalition (OCCC). The web site of a JL union also mentions oneworld crew help them fight in court over what they see as extended duty hours for Japan-U.S. West Coast flights.

I am rather sceptical of union claims, particularly those involving Australian union members. Remember 1989 in Australia? Australia has one of the worst reputations in the world as far as industrial relations goes, mainly because of union standover tactics and dominance, and the United Kingdom is not too far behind.

And guess who two of the OneWorld partners are? Qantas and BA. Need I say any more?

Dave

I'm no fan of OneWorld, but I really cant give this article much credit... heck, two of OneWorld's partners have been in operation for over 50 years with NEVER a single fatality! How many other international carriers/alliances can claim that?!

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Smile.... your mother could have placed you in an A340!

Qantas is one airline. Which is the other one?

Well, it CERTAINLY isnt AA & BA (the two airlines responsible for more fatalities than any others in history!*)

It's Cathay


*excluding TWA & Reno, including BOAC

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Smile.... your mother could have placed you in an A340!

Actually, that is not correct. QF have not had a fatality in a jet aircraft accident. But, back in the pre-jet days, they did lose a few aircraft with the unfortunate result of fatalities. At least one was a flying boat loss dueing WW2, but there were others as well.

NM - just to add to what you wrote about QF.

QF has never had a fatal jet accident. The last crash that I could find recorded was on 16 July 1951, when seven of its pax died in a domestic New Guinea accident, a crash of a small prop plane flying in very difficult territory.

That does give QF more than 50 years without a pax dying in a flight accident, which is pretty good by any criteria.

Are we sure that CX has been fatal accident free? I vaguely remember at least one crash, but could be wrong.

Koala

Sounds suspiciously like a bunch of union bludgers using "safety" as a mask for money-grabbing.