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tfjim Jan 9, 2002 4:39 pm

I think if I were now planning a OWE trip it would be hard to resist including a Concorde leg from LHR to BGI then continuing on to LAX. Then 3 class hop back to BOS, etc. You get my drift.

crAAzy Jan 9, 2002 8:39 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't BGI-JFK-LAX be the winner with over 4500 miles?

Darren Jan 10, 2002 12:58 am

Even if this was one flight number (I don't know whether it is or not), when you are dealing with direct flights, the miles are calculated from the beginning of the direct flight until the end, no matter where it connects. For example, American has a direct flight from LAX to Brussels which connects through Chicago. To calculate miles, you would do it from LAX-BRU, not LAX-ORD-BRU.

tfjim Jan 10, 2002 11:15 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Darren:
Even if this was one flight number (I don't know whether it is or not), when you are dealing with direct flights, the miles are calculated from the beginning of the direct flight until the end, no matter where it connects. For example, American has a direct flight from LAX to Brussels which connects through Chicago. To calculate miles, you would do it from LAX-BRU, not LAX-ORD-BRU.</font>
Darren, I'm not near as expert as some people in this, but the AA timetable does not bear out what you say. Now whether AAdvantage miles are awarded based on the timetable or your proposition I don't know.

However, there are several clear examples where the timetable mileage is not the point-to-point mileage when a enroute stop is involved.

MCO-RNO timetable: 2606
MCO-RNO direct: 2315

RSW-SLC timetable: 2370
RSW-SLC direct: 1984

and one of the best:

OKC-PSP timetable: 2368
OKC-PSP direct: 1081

Darren Jan 10, 2002 11:35 am

They are based on the proposition, not the timetable. I promise... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

RichLond Jan 10, 2002 11:36 am

Darren is correct. The AA timetable lists the flown mileage as:

(miles from Origin to Connection City) + (miles from Connection City to Destination

However you only receive AAdvantage miles for the point to point Origin to Destination.

In addition, if you book a 1 stopper now for anything in June or July there is an almost 100 percent chance when it comes time to fly the flight will no longer be direct. If you go to the gate the agent will print both boarding passes and attach the ticket to the second boarding pass. If you go to the ticket counter the agent will simply re-issue the 1 flight coupon. In either case it will still only count as 1 NA flight segment.

The main draw back to direct flights is that if you need to do a re-issue for a flight prior to that 1 stopper and that direct flight no longer exists you will need to re-do you NA segments to come in at 6 or under.

rich

tfjim Jan 11, 2002 8:30 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by RichLond:
Darren is correct. The AA timetable lists the flown mileage as:

(miles from Origin to Connection City) + (miles from Connection City to Destination

However you only receive AAdvantage miles for the point to point Origin to Destination.

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Thanks for the clarification. Makes one wonder why they publish that mileage in the timetable if it's of little use to anyone (except, perhaps, MPM calculations.)


RichLond Jan 11, 2002 9:33 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by tfjim:
Thanks for the clarification. Makes one wonder why they publish that mileage in the timetable if it's of little use to anyone (except, perhaps, MPM calculations.)
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I have wondered why those numbers are there also. They seem to serve no purpose and yet probably cause much confusion.

kanebear Jan 11, 2002 11:12 am

Annnnd the ticket is HERE! Fare basis AONE6. And now that I get it I've been thinking about the entire D vs. A class mileage issue, and realized that I can get MORE mileage by flying DFW-SFO-JFK-SFO-DFW with one less segment than DFW-LAX-SXM-SJU-JFK-DFW AND get the F class fare bonus vs. the D class.... and have a bit of time in NYC to relax. Now comes the question, how hard is it to reticket/reissue? I'm loathe to touch it now that it's in hand!

BTW this was utterly painless. I phoned in my itin to CX, they gave me the fare basis, I gave 'em my card #, and a week later the ticket is fedexed to me. All 21 segs are printed so it's NOT necessary to find an AA uber-writer to get this done, just visit CX!

pegasus8228 Jan 11, 2002 12:08 pm

you have a small problem, 2 transcontinental SFO-JFK-SFO. the good thing about lax-sxm is that sxm is not listed as a transcont destination. (the bad thing being sxm-lax is not singkle thr' flgiht #)

so now your luck depends on the mood fo the CX agent http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

kanebear Jan 11, 2002 2:10 pm

I forgot about the one transcon rule. Fortunately so did they! Confirmed and ticketed http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

tfjim Jan 11, 2002 3:40 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by pegasus8228:
you have a small problem, 2 transcontinental SFO-JFK-SFO. the good thing about lax-sxm is that sxm is not listed as a transcont destination. (the bad thing being sxm-lax is not singkle thr' flgiht #)

so now your luck depends on the mood fo the CX agent http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif
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Why not fly DFW-LGB-EWR/JFK-SFO-DFW, that is only one transcon? There are two flights a day LGB-EWR. You might even be able to swing DFW-LAX/LGB if LAX and LGB are co-terminals (I don't know if they are).

DFW-LAX-SXM-SJU-JFK-DFW = 7,986 but since you only get 1.25 points per long segment to the caribbean, not so good.

This is what you proposed:

DFW-SFO-JFK-SFO-DFW = 8,100 but against the rules, how about:

DFW-LGB-EWR/JFK-SFO-DFW = 7,714
DFW-BOS-SNA-LGA/JFK-SFO-DFW = 10,652
DFW-BOS-SNA-BOS-SFO-DFW = 10,914

[This message has been edited by tfjim (edited 01-11-2002).]

pegasus8228 Jan 25, 2002 6:41 am

kanebear,

seems CX is more 'flexible' on the rules http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif
what are the numbers you called to get these tickets?

thx

save CGX Jan 30, 2002 6:19 pm

I need to thank all of you for your thoughts and ideas. I am on the list of RTW x/JNB as of today. Although not the best mileage wise, I am going to see the cities (a crime according to some pure-mileage run individuals http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif). Now, if I can just convince my girlfriend to go along. BTW, Sarah at the AA RTW desk is great!!

JNB-LHR-ATH-BCN-CDG-DFW
DFW-MIA-SFO-ORD
ORD-SJU-ORD
ORD-MIA-MDE/BOG-SCL-IPC-SCL-EZE-AKL-BNE-CNS-SYD-SIN-CGK-HKG-JNB

(I hope this is how you are supposed to write them)


[This message has been edited by save CGX (edited 01-31-2002).]


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