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They must have a pretty wide destination network in Indonesia? How about the Middle East?
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Indonesia: CGK, MES, BDO, JOG, SUB, DPS
Middle East: JED, DXB, DMM |
Originally Posted by LHSEN
(Post 16510490)
Good to hear. Anyone has an overview of MH's F destinations?
A quick glimpse at MH's timetable reveals the following F destinations to/from KUL: -AMS -LHR -BAH -SYD -CPT -EZE (i.e. same flight # KUL-EZE with onestop in CPT!) |
Originally Posted by onobond
(Post 16510961)
Starting to build another AONEX this morning , I was happy to see the good news.
A quick glimpse at MH's timetable reveals the following F destinations to/from KUL: -AMS -LHR -BAH -SYD -CPT -EZE (i.e. same flight # KUL-EZE with onestop in CPT!) |
My first thoughts on the routing benefits are:
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Originally Posted by holtju2
(Post 16510349)
Took only 12 years! LOL!
Thought that they were always closer to SkyTrash than OW. Seriously though, in a recent interview the outgoing MD of SkyTrash said as much: that the existing ST carriers would only permit new carriers which brought value to their own position to join the alliance: http://www.airtransportnews.aero/pri...ysis.pl?id=980 How could MH, a carrier rated as superior to the existing ST carrriers [e.g Skytrax rating] bring value to them? There is a PhD thesis to the answer, but in short existing ST carriers saw MH as a threat. |
Originally Posted by Austinrunner
(Post 16510735)
Indonesia: CGK, MES, BDO, JOG, SUB, DPS
Middle East: JED, DXB, DMM |
MH will bring many interesting destinations to the OW map.
Not to mention the CPT EZE...Now we have many Indonesia destinations including Batam. Many Malaysia cities as well as Angor Wat and Koh Samui! Kunming and Guangzhou in China from places other than HKG...MH's India network will match Kingfisher perfectly well! Question is, what FireFly will fit into the picture? |
I always thought MH is a good fit for OW. I am very surprised that AF resisted MH joining ST for so long at the first place.
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Originally Posted by Guy Betsy
(Post 16510678)
And boy, by making this announcement at the IATA conference in Singapore or all places. Must have caught all the regional airlines by a big big surprise. With SQ, TG in Oneworld, and GA, VN in SkyTeam, Oneworld is the weakest link of the 3 with no presence in South East Asia unless you count CX's daily BKK-SIN-BKK link!
MH obviously does not want to play second fiddle to GA/VN after they stole its limelight in joining Skyteam. So Oneworld must have been persuing them intently. I wonder if we can see QF or Jetstar making a comeback to KUL? |
Great news, especially the EZE-CPT route. I guess the African exception that allows 2 entries in Europe may be on the way out.
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Great news! Too bad it took 12 years :-)
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Originally Posted by kcaluwae
(Post 16512362)
Great news! Too bad it took 12 years :-)
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Originally Posted by onobond
(Post 16510961)
A quick glimpse at MH's timetable reveals the following F destinations to/from KUL: /cut/ -CPT -EZE (i.e. same flight # KUL-EZE with onestop in CPT!) CPT-EZE?!? That is awesome!:D |
For people who'd never flown on MH before... you'd be pleasantly surprised! MH's inflight service rivals that of SQ .. in that they're more personal and not 'robotic'. MH also serves better satay than SQ. And in giving out more generous portions too! All in all, I'm looking forward to flying on MH under the OW flag.
Having said that, I better cash my miles on Virgin Flying Club which I've been saving to fly on MH! |
Originally Posted by headinclouds
(Post 16512261)
Great news, especially the EZE-CPT route. I guess the African exception that allows 2 entries in Europe may be on the way out.
The exception is: |
Originally Posted by Austinrunner
(Post 16511087)
Originally Posted by onobond
(Post 16510961)
Starting to build another AONEX this morning , I was happy to see the good news.
A quick glimpse at MH's timetable reveals the following F destinations to/from KUL: -AMS -LHR -BAH -SYD -CPT -EZE (i.e. same flight # KUL-EZE with onestop in CPT!) To Bahrain (BAH) 4JUN 12 4 6 1055X1340 MH9119;EQV FCY NONSTOP 5JUN 1OCT 1234 67 1055X1340 MH9119;EQV FCY NONSTOP 3OCT 12 4 6 1055X1340 MH9119;EQV FCY NONSTOP 1JUN 3 5 7 1950X2235 MH9127;EQV FCY NONSTOP 2JUN 5OCT 345 7 1950X2235 MH9127;EQV FCY NONSTOP 7OCT 3 5 7 1950X2235 MH9127;EQV FCY NONSTOP - - 1234567 2040X0235* MH9159;332 CY 2345 AUH 0225* MH9497; EQV CY To Jeddah (JED) 4SEP 2 7 1245X1630Y MH150 772 CY NONSTOP 2OCT 2 7 1245X1630Y MH150 772 CY NONSTOP 6OCT 1 34 6 1510X1855Y MH150 772 CY NONSTOP 3SEP 1 34 6 1515X1855Y MH150 744 CY NONSTOP 7SEP 28SEP 3 6 1515X1855Y MH150 744 CY NONSTOP 29SEP 5OCT 1 3456 1515X1900Y MH150 772 CY NONSTOP 7OCT 5 1515X1900Y MH150 772 CY NONSTOP http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/cont...May%202011.pdf |
Sorry, MH does not operate its own metal to BAH. It codeshares on GF and Etihad. That's what the timetable specifically says.
MH does operate JED <> KUL nonstop using 3-class 744 aircraft but apparently sells only C and Y on that route. So, we were both wrong. |
Originally Posted by chongcao
(Post 16512753)
But they intended to go to bed with SkyTeam for 12 years!...lol
So it will be a 'Ménage à trois' :cool: |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 16516428)
I disagree. As I understand it the Africa exception on the Oneworld Explorer ticket is there because the only Oneworld flights into the countries concerned are from Europe. The fact that there has been no Oneworld flight between Africa and Sth America had nothing to do with it.
The exception is: 4(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows: 1. 2. 3. For travel to/from or via Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya and Uganda two permitted in Europe when one is a transfer without stopover between Ghana/Nigeria/Kenya/Uganda and another continent |
Originally Posted by Gamecock
(Post 16514196)
CPT-EZE?!? That is awesome!:D
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Originally Posted by kcaluwae
(Post 16518033)
Found on KLM website that their JV will remain.
So it will be a 'Ménage à trois' :cool: |
Originally Posted by headinclouds
(Post 16519097)
I would agree to your argument, except that Dakar,Senegal and Malbo, Equatorial Guinea have the same problem as for Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya and Uganda. Yet these countries are not on the exception list. Or is that another quirk of the OW rules.
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Great news! It's showing up on aa.com now as well.
I've flown MH several times now (EZE-CPT, BKI-SDK, TWU-BKI, LAX-TPE-LAX in J) and have been quite pleased with their service. A good addition to OW. |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 16521436)
I don't know the history of Oneworld - when did IB join? It might be that they never got around to adding those two countries to the exception list when IB joined.
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I just only wish MH would re-start LAX-NRT again. It was yet another great airline to go to Japan.
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Originally Posted by kebosabi
(Post 16525146)
I just only wish MH would re-start LAX-NRT again. It was yet another great airline to go to Japan.
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Originally Posted by millionmiler
(Post 16525372)
You want a THIRD OW carrier to fly your chosen route?
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Originally Posted by DownUnderFlyer
(Post 16529331)
Well, you have 4 *A carriers flying NYC-FRA. So why not? ;)
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Originally Posted by kiwiandrew
(Post 16529499)
4 ? CO, SQ, LH and ????
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Originally Posted by Guy Betsy
(Post 16520142)
The joınt venture would contınue untıl MH formally joıns OW.
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Originally Posted by CXBA
(Post 16534265)
hope you're right, on AFKL forum there is a post in which some MAS VP claims the existing JV will continue anyway. I think it's high time for OW to start enforcing some practices long been made by the other two alliances for new entrants, namely the immediate closure of any intra-alliance relationship and the redeployment of flights to alliance's main hub.
The corporation between QF and AF, AZ is continueing as well. Some commercial contracts once signed, could not be suspended regardless which alliance you have joined, by the discretion of the participating airlines before the alliance membership. JV is easy to set up but very costly to quit due to the heavy fine on breach of contract. Two airlines have to agree with mutual interests to cancel such a deal. It will be unlikely for MH to quit first. |
Have you actually read the "corporation" contract? ... I didn't think so. Contracts commonly have early termination provisions. Not every termination is a "breach."
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Originally Posted by chongcao
(Post 16511773)
Question is, what FireFly will fit into the picture?
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I wonder if AY will have the balls to start HEL-KUL. It would be a no-brainer if AY hadn't started HEL-SIN a few weeks ago.
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Originally Posted by Austinrunner
(Post 16536063)
Have you actually read the "corporation" contract? ... I didn't think so. Contracts commonly have early termination provisions. Not every termination is a "breach."
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Originally Posted by chongcao
(Post 16570372)
I actually had a hand on one of the JV contract. I have to keep quiet thus I am not going to details. But what I can tell you is that, to sign one JV contract requires both party fully committed to each other, somewhat like a marriage certificate in real term for your understanding. Once JV is signed the only way out is for both party to reach mutual agreement. Early termination provisions only cover very extreme situations (e.g. bankrupt, withdrawn from business, legislation changes...etc). To join another alliance is never the excuse of mutual understanding.
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Originally Posted by lhahne
(Post 16570358)
I wonder if AY will have the balls to start HEL-KUL. It would be a no-brainer if AY hadn't started HEL-SIN a few weeks ago.
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Originally Posted by Guy Betsy
(Post 16598439)
AY was to extend its BKK flights onwards to KUL sometime last year but cancelled its plans at the last moment. Wonder if they knew then that MH will join OW.
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What's about AY codesharing with AF ? AA codeshared with Swissair for a long time even if in Qualiflyer. :o
Nothing to be too excited about. It happens :p |
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