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qsh Oct 20, 2016 9:11 am

Is this the longest rtw allowed?
 
(updated)
http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=c:%23abcd...%23ee82ee&PW=2

hkg-bkk-cmb-nrt-cmb-pvg-syd-dxb-lon-cpt-doh-lax-mbj-lax-gru-asu-bog-asu-gru-jfk-yvr-hkg
80230mi


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Routing: Toronto - Los Angeles - Santiago - Easter Island - Santiago - Dallas/Ft. Worth - Doha - London - Johannesburg - Hong Kong - Male - Hong Kong - Delhi - Hong Kong - Auckland - Hong Kong - Toronto
70,529 mi

145 flight hours

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=yyz-lax-s...X=720x360&PM=*

Gardyloo Oct 21, 2016 8:58 am

Welcome to FT!

See this thread and review the rules for transiting Asia twice - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...ent-rules.html

pandaperth Oct 21, 2016 1:05 pm

I'm not sure what point gardyloo is making with regard to transiting Asia twice
The routing looks valid to me
- the final visit to HKG, after AKL, will need to be a 'transfer without stopover'
- as will the visit to DFW after South America

yyz-lax-scl-ipc-scl-dfw-doh-lhr-jnb-hkg-mle-hkg-del-hkg-akl-hkg-yyz

Don't now if it is the longest possible RTW routing

pbd456 Oct 21, 2016 1:28 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 27376470)
I'm not sure what point gardyloo is making with regard to transiting Asia twice
The routing looks valid to me
- the final visit to HKG, after AKL, will need to be a 'transfer without stopover'
- as will the visit to DFW after South America

yyz-lax-scl-ipc-scl-dfw-doh-lhr-jnb-hkg-mle-hkg-del-hkg-akl-hkg-yyz

Don't now if it is the longest possible RTW routing

far from it.
hkg cmb nrt cmb hkg is better already

wingzing Oct 21, 2016 5:37 pm

Hkg transit
 
I had a similar itinerary. CX would not allow the last transit through HKG. AA permitted it. I did some dummy bookings and the online tool was OK with it.

pandaperth Oct 21, 2016 7:10 pm

What reason did CX give for denying it?

checkerboard Oct 21, 2016 7:16 pm


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 27376558)
far from it.
hkg cmb nrt cmb hkg is better already


Not to mention that nearly an extra 3000 miles could be had by tweaking the first six sectors to something like this: yyz-lax-gru-bog-gru-lax-doh

qsh Oct 21, 2016 7:43 pm


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 27376558)
far from it.
hkg cmb nrt cmb hkg is better already

Agreed. But Online tool would not allow J class from cmb to nrt.

pbd456 Oct 21, 2016 8:08 pm


Originally Posted by qsh (Post 27377776)
Agreed. But Online tool would not allow J class from cmb to nrt.

i booked this offline.

i can think of many many many ways to improve on your routing to get more miles.
example, ipc-scl is shorter than scl-bog

also, you should max out on intra europe via doh, like cmn-doh
lax-doh is longer than dfw-doh.
gru lax is longer than scl dfw...

qsh Oct 21, 2016 10:30 pm

Thanks for the input

Is this better?

cmb-nrt-cgk-nrt-mel-dxb-lon-cpt-doh-lax-mbj-lax-gru-asu-bog-asu-gru-jfk-yvr-hkg-bkk-cmb

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=cmb-nrt-cgk-nrt-mel-dxb-lon-cpt-doh-lax-mbj-lax-gru-asu-bog-asu-gru-jfk-yvr-hkg-bkk-cmb&MS=bm&MP=rect&MC=SYD&PC=%23cc3333&PW=2&DU=mi

79,930 mi

Fifth freedom flights:
mel-dxb-lhr QF9
gru-asu-bog JJ8012/3
jfk-yvr-hkg CX889
hkg-bkk-cmb UL891

So 21 flight segments but still valid for the "16 segment" rule.

just 70mi short of 80k...

Ausriver Oct 22, 2016 1:43 am

how much would this ticket in J cost?

henry999 Oct 22, 2016 3:26 am


Originally Posted by qsh (Post 27378106)
Fifth freedom flights:
mel-dxb-lhr QF9
gru-asu-bog JJ8012/3
jfk-yvr-hkg CX889
hkg-bkk-cmb UL891

So 21 flight segments but still valid for the "16 segment" rule.

This would obviously add miles to your total distance. But that raises the question: why? If it's just for the thrill [???] of sitting that much longer in an aeroplane, then ... OK. But for most of us the idea of 'maximising' an RTW is connected to the idea of garnering as many frequent flyer points as possible. With those one-flight-number-but-two-segment routings, does the frequent flyer programme give points based on AB + BC, or do they simply calculate the direct AC distance?

qsh Oct 22, 2016 6:47 am

I think they calculate direct distance... But I am not sure, we should ask the experts.

Regarding your question, this is just for the sake of fun... I plan on taking my shorter original plan in J class some day, which consist of mostly enjoyable long haul Cathay Pacific flights.

qsh Oct 22, 2016 6:50 am

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=c:%23abcd...%23ee82ee&PW=2

hkg-bkk-cmb-nrt-cmb-pvg-syd-dxb-lon-cpt-doh-lax-mbj-lax-gru-asu-bog-asu-gru-jfk-yvr-hkg
80230mi

(though only 78,941 mi if direct flights are calculated based on direct distance...)

christep Oct 22, 2016 7:15 am

direct flights are indeed calculated on the direct distance if ticketed as a single coupon.

Gardyloo Oct 22, 2016 8:20 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 27376470)
I'm not sure what point gardyloo is making with regard to transiting Asia twice..

I'm still hampered by the old (pre-online booking) interpretation of the Asia transit rule, i.e. it was only allowed when going from Europe to SWP or vice versa, not SWP to North America or v.v. The original idea was that it was allowed since there was no nonstop Europe - SWP service, while there obviously is between SWP and North America.


Originally Posted by wingzing (Post 27377431)
I had a similar itinerary. CX would not allow the last transit through HKG. AA permitted it. I did some dummy bookings and the online tool was OK with it.

Sounds like CX is also of the old opinion. Mind you, I'm personally cool with it.


Originally Posted by qsh (Post 27378886)
http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=c:%23abcd...%23ee82ee&PW=2

hkg-bkk-cmb-nrt-cmb-pvg-syd-dxb-lon-cpt-doh-lax-mbj-lax-gru-asu-bog-asu-gru-jfk-yvr-hkg
80230mi

(though only 78,941 mi if direct flights are calculated based on direct distance...)

Too many Asia segments, plus (and again this may be old interpretation) the second North America transit (GRU-xJFK-xYVR-HKG) can't have more than one connection point. GRU-xJFK-HKG would be okay if the JFK connection is less than 24h. Does LAX-MBJ-LAX even exist?

qsh Oct 22, 2016 10:57 am

Yes JFK stop has to be less then 24hours.
And LAX-MBJ-LAX actually exist. Once weekly AA2599/8 red eye from LAX on Friday and return on Saturday. Unfortunately AA doesn't fly to PTY from LAX, that would add quite a lot of distance.

Dr. HFH Oct 22, 2016 6:18 pm


Originally Posted by qsh (Post 27378886)
hkg-bkk-cmb-nrt-cmb-pvg-syd-dxb-lon-cpt-doh-lax-mbj-lax-gru-asu-bog-asu-gru-jfk-yvr-hkg

Wouldn't you do better with a JFK-HKG nonstop and use the extra segment somewhere else?

Kiwi Flyer Oct 22, 2016 7:47 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 27379110)
I'm still hampered by the old (pre-online booking) interpretation of the Asia transit rule, i.e. it was only allowed when going from Europe to SWP or vice versa, not SWP to North America or v.v. The original idea was that it was allowed since there was no nonstop Europe - SWP service, while there obviously is between SWP and North America.

Sounds like CX is also of the old opinion. Mind you, I'm personally cool with it.

On xONEx I've flown via Asia between SWP and North America, with separate Asia entry between Europe and SWP, many times over the years. Most recently was over a year ago, so it may have changed since I last did it.

Kiwi Flyer Oct 22, 2016 7:49 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 27380764)
Wouldn't you do better with a JFK-HKG nonstop and use the extra segment somewhere else?

qsh has listed every flown sector, but would only be able to do this by booking as JFK-HKG (and similarly for the other multi-sector flights).

pandaperth Oct 23, 2016 8:08 am


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 27379110)
I'm still hampered by the old (pre-online booking) interpretation of the Asia transit rule, i.e. it was only allowed when going from Europe to SWP or vice versa, not SWP to North America or v.v. The original idea was that it was allowed since there was no nonstop Europe - SWP service, while there obviously is between SWP and North America.

Sounds like CX is also of the old opinion. Mind you, I'm personally cool with it.


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 27380936)
On xONEx I've flown via Asia between SWP and North America, with separate Asia entry between Europe and SWP, many times over the years. Most recently was over a year ago, so it may have changed since I last did it.

I have also had a second visit to Asia as a transit between Nth America and SWP (it was YVR-xHKG-PER) - purchased from AA

And just last July I purchased, again from AA, a ticket with a second visit to Asia - this time it is PER-xHGK-DFW

So it does seem that CX is misinterpreting the rule (which IIRC was a fairly common occurrence prior to the on-line booking tool becoming available)

I suggest the OP go back to CX pointing out that other airlines (specifically AA) AND the on-line tool interpret the rule to be:
Two permitted in Asia when
- one is a transfer without stopover or
- on direct single plane service between the Southwest Pacific and Europe/Middle East.
With the first dot point having nothing to do with SWP-Europe/Middle East
(the on-line tool allows both Nth America-xAsia-SWP and Africa-xAsia-SWP)

pbd456 Oct 23, 2016 5:47 pm

never mind


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