Oneworld booking and pricing experiences
Nov 1, 2011, 3:01 pm
#46
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From a curiosity standpoint I would like to know if this works. Just last fall I had to go to YYZ to reticket my not yet started CirPac as the AA RTW desk said CX requires tickets to be purchased 7 days out.
You may want to double check with them so you don't encounter any unwanted surprises.
You may want to double check with them so you don't encounter any unwanted surprises.
(A) Reservations and Ticketing
Unless otherwise specified
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceeding flights are required at least 7 days
prior to departure of the first flight. Subsequent segments may be open-dated.
Ticketing for departure from fare origin must be completed at least 7 days before departure.
Exception:
For Economy Class reservations made 22 or more days before departure tickets must be issued
at least 21 days before departure.
Unless otherwise specified
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceeding flights are required at least 7 days
prior to departure of the first flight. Subsequent segments may be open-dated.
Ticketing for departure from fare origin must be completed at least 7 days before departure.
Exception:
For Economy Class reservations made 22 or more days before departure tickets must be issued
at least 21 days before departure.
Xonex rules only require seven days when travel originates in TC1. For travel originating in TC2/3, there are different time limits depending upon when the reservation was made.
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5. RESERVATIONS AND TICKETING
(a) Reservations and Ticketing
For travel originating in TC1
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceding flights are required at least 7 days prior to departure of the first flight. Subsequent segments may be open-dated. Tickets must be issued at least 7 days in advance of the first flight.
Exception:
For economy class reservations made 22 or more days before departure, tickets must be issued at least 21 days before departure.
For travel originating in TC2/3
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceeding flights must be made prior to departure. Subsequent segments may be open-dated. Tickets may be issued up to one hour prior to departure.
Exception:
Class Reservations Made Complete Ticketing
Economy 22 or more days before departure At least 21 days before departure
21 - 8 days before departure At least 7 days before departure
7 days or less before departure No later than 3 days after booking
First/Business8 or more days before departure At least 5 days before departure
7 days or less before departure No later than 3 days after booking
(b)
Of course, as we all know individual ticket offices may be more cooperative than others.
Last edited by jerry a. laska; Nov 1, 2011 at 3:21 pm Reason: gramar
Nov 1, 2011, 3:29 pm
#47
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These are the current rules:
From a quick scan I did not see any "otherwise specified" exceptions.
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A. RESERVATIONS AND TICKETING
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFED RESERVATIONS FOR THE
FIRST INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT AND ALL PRECEEDING
FLIGHTS ARE REQUIRED AT LEAST 7 DAYS PRIOR TO
DEPARTURE OF THE FIRST FLIGHT. SUBSEQUENT
SEGMENTS MAY BE OPEN-DATED. TICKETING FOR
DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN MUST BE COMPLETED AT
LEAST 7 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE.
EXCEPTION - FOR ECONOMY CLASS RESERVATIONS
MADE 22 OR MORE DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE TICKETS
MUST BE ISSUED AT LEAST 21 DAYS BEFORE
DEPARTURE.
Nov 2, 2011, 5:33 am
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From a curiosity standpoint I would like to know if this works. Just last fall I had to go to YYZ to reticket my not yet started CirPac as the AA RTW desk said CX requires tickets to be purchased 7 days out.
You may want to double check with them so you don't encounter any unwanted surprises.
You may want to double check with them so you don't encounter any unwanted surprises.
Nov 2, 2011, 4:36 pm
#49
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A weekend run to Toronto or Montreal to purchase a xCIRnn ex-HKG ticket would be much easier for someone from the US east coast, than a weekend run to HKG.
Of course none of us answered Jerry_Maguire's question, probably because none of us used a HKG or Canadian travel agent. Hopefully someone will come along who can address his question. FWIW, I enjoyed my overnight visit to Toronto.
Nov 4, 2011, 5:36 pm
#50
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Alas I was in Toronto for business a few weeks back, but before this ex-HKG circle Pacific ticket started looking like a really good idea. I can't see any way around finding a hong Kong travel agent willing to issue the ticket, so if anyone has any leads I'd appreciate them greatly!
Nov 5, 2011, 6:06 am
#51
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Call CATHAY PACIFIC number listed for their HONG KONG reservations office.. That is how I booked my last circle pacific from HKG.. No problems.. easy... faxed copy of credit card and passport to their office and e-ticket issued within 24 hours......hope this helps...
Nov 5, 2011, 12:32 pm
#52
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Hi, I've not done any CircPacs since the massive fare increase a few years ago, so I've forgotten some of the rules. Is the following a legal routing?
hkg-tpe-hkg-sin-syd-lax-jfk-hkg
I vaguely remember not being allowed to route back through the city of origin (HKG). I'm not intending any stopovers in HKG (stopovers would be TPE, SIN, SYD, and JFK).
Many thanks to the experts for any pointers!
NYLON Boy
hkg-tpe-hkg-sin-syd-lax-jfk-hkg
I vaguely remember not being allowed to route back through the city of origin (HKG). I'm not intending any stopovers in HKG (stopovers would be TPE, SIN, SYD, and JFK).
Many thanks to the experts for any pointers!
NYLON Boy
Nov 5, 2011, 2:10 pm
#53
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Hi, I've not done any CircPacs since the massive fare increase a few years ago, so I've forgotten some of the rules. Is the following a legal routing?
hkg-tpe-hkg-sin-syd-lax-jfk-hkg
I vaguely remember not being allowed to route back through the city of origin (HKG). I'm not intending any stopovers in HKG (stopovers would be TPE, SIN, SYD, and JFK).
Many thanks to the experts for any pointers!
NYLON Boy
hkg-tpe-hkg-sin-syd-lax-jfk-hkg
I vaguely remember not being allowed to route back through the city of origin (HKG). I'm not intending any stopovers in HKG (stopovers would be TPE, SIN, SYD, and JFK).
Many thanks to the experts for any pointers!
NYLON Boy
G. Travel may not be via the point of origin
Dec 15, 2011, 7:20 pm
#54
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I did a CP years ago, been looking at it again past 6 months.
Wife/Self go to HKG every April on business, been thinking go there on one way Y ticket, then HKG/SFO/LAX/SYD/HKG as a CP and leave the latter flight SYD/HKG up to another year to use in following April and at that time buy one way HKG/SYD in Y, would this work?. Also, could I use QFF points for a One World CP?.
Wife/Self go to HKG every April on business, been thinking go there on one way Y ticket, then HKG/SFO/LAX/SYD/HKG as a CP and leave the latter flight SYD/HKG up to another year to use in following April and at that time buy one way HKG/SYD in Y, would this work?. Also, could I use QFF points for a One World CP?.
Dec 15, 2011, 8:19 pm
#55
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I did a CP years ago, been looking at it again past 6 months.
Wife/Self go to HKG every April on business, been thinking go there on one way Y ticket, then HKG/SFO/LAX/SYD/HKG as a CP and leave the latter flight SYD/HKG up to another year to use in following April and at that time buy one way HKG/SYD in Y, would this work?. Also, could I use QFF points for a One World CP?.
Wife/Self go to HKG every April on business, been thinking go there on one way Y ticket, then HKG/SFO/LAX/SYD/HKG as a CP and leave the latter flight SYD/HKG up to another year to use in following April and at that time buy one way HKG/SYD in Y, would this work?. Also, could I use QFF points for a One World CP?.
7. MAXIMUM STAY
Return travel from the last stopover point must commence no later than 12 months after departure.
Return travel from the last stopover point must commence no later than 12 months after departure.
2. Circle fares are paid fares so you can't use miles for them. You can do multi-destination itineraries with QFF. You will probably be better off enquiring about those on the QF forum.
Multi-destination Itineraries
The number of points you need for a Qantas & Partner Classic Award flight is calculated by adding up the one-way trips in your itinerary. There are no points charges for stopovers or for any non-flown (surface) segments. Your itinerary may have no more than 16 flights or surface segments. However, if the total distance of a single trip is over 15,000 miles, the trip must be broken down into sub-trips in order to calculate the number of points you need.
The number of points you need for a Qantas & Partner Classic Award flight is calculated by adding up the one-way trips in your itinerary. There are no points charges for stopovers or for any non-flown (surface) segments. Your itinerary may have no more than 16 flights or surface segments. However, if the total distance of a single trip is over 15,000 miles, the trip must be broken down into sub-trips in order to calculate the number of points you need.
Dec 15, 2011, 11:30 pm
#56
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I did a CP years ago, been looking at it again past 6 months.
Wife/Self go to HKG every April on business, been thinking go there on one way Y ticket, then HKG/SFO/LAX/SYD/HKG as a CP and leave the latter flight SYD/HKG up to another year to use in following April and at that time buy one way HKG/SYD in Y, would this work?. Also, could I use QFF points for a One World CP?.
Wife/Self go to HKG every April on business, been thinking go there on one way Y ticket, then HKG/SFO/LAX/SYD/HKG as a CP and leave the latter flight SYD/HKG up to another year to use in following April and at that time buy one way HKG/SYD in Y, would this work?. Also, could I use QFF points for a One World CP?.
Perhaps consider a holiday in SWP - such as to NZ or to the big red rock. You are allowed two free stopovers per continent, and can purchase two more at USD150* each (except for the continent of origin) - so each of these itineraries will increase your cost by USD150Have you looked at the cost of the 1-way positioning flights at the beginning and end?
These might be expensive - and perhaps are candidates for using your QFF points?
* if buying the economy ticket (LCIR22) then I would consider USD150 expensive - but if in the premium cabin then this is a bargain
Dec 25, 2011, 4:47 pm
#57
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Still looking at circle pacific fare J x 2, live in OZ, can commence Hong Kong or Auckland, intend to visit SFO then MIA, NYC, LAS possibly DFW return via SYD need to be One World member airline. Would use left over sector within following year.
How many US cities can we fit into 22 or 26K miles?
How many US cities can we fit into 22 or 26K miles?
Dec 25, 2011, 5:23 pm
#58
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Still looking at circle pacific fare J x 2, live in OZ, can commence Hong Kong or Auckland, intend to visit SFO then MIA, NYC, LAS possibly DFW return via SYD need to be One World member airline. Would use left over sector within following year.
How many US cities can we fit into 22 or 26K miles?
How many US cities can we fit into 22 or 26K miles?
http://gc.kls2.com/
HKG-SFO-LAX-MIA-JFK-LAS-DFW-SYD-HKG=27,157. You can input your own possible routing to see what fits and what doesn't.
But you need to watch your stopovers:
8. PERMITTED STOPOVERS
A. Free: 22,000 miles – minimum two maximum four free stopovers permitted
26,000 miles – minimum two maximum five free stopovers permitted
29,000 miles – minimum two maximum six free stopovers permitted
NOTES:
i) Only one stopover permitted at any point.
ii) Two stopovers required outside country of origin.
iii) A maximum of one stopover in country of origin
iv) A maximum of two free stopovers per region (SWP / Asia / North America /
South America)
v) Where a passenger disembarks at one point and re-embarks at a subsequent point
enroute, the points count as a single stopover
Where there is a surface sector between two regions, this will count as a stopover in each of
the two regions. However, for the purpose of the total stopovers permitted, this will count as
one stopover only.
B. Additional: Permitted at an additional charge per stopover of USD150.00
NOTES:
i) Additional stopovers may not be purchased in country of origin.
ii) Additional stopovers restricted to two stopovers per region
iii) Child /infant discount not applicable
A. Free: 22,000 miles – minimum two maximum four free stopovers permitted
26,000 miles – minimum two maximum five free stopovers permitted
29,000 miles – minimum two maximum six free stopovers permitted
NOTES:
i) Only one stopover permitted at any point.
ii) Two stopovers required outside country of origin.
iii) A maximum of one stopover in country of origin
iv) A maximum of two free stopovers per region (SWP / Asia / North America /
South America)
v) Where a passenger disembarks at one point and re-embarks at a subsequent point
enroute, the points count as a single stopover
Where there is a surface sector between two regions, this will count as a stopover in each of
the two regions. However, for the purpose of the total stopovers permitted, this will count as
one stopover only.
B. Additional: Permitted at an additional charge per stopover of USD150.00
NOTES:
i) Additional stopovers may not be purchased in country of origin.
ii) Additional stopovers restricted to two stopovers per region
iii) Child /infant discount not applicable
Dec 26, 2011, 8:38 pm
#59
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We would go in J like
HKG-SFO-MIA-JFK-LAS-LAX-BNE-HKG
Would entering US via LAX.
Would use the BNE/HKG following year.
Have stacks of QFF points to get to HKG to commence CP trip.
So stops would be SFO/MIA/JFK/LAS (4 so get 2 for free and pay $150 each for other 2.
HKG-SFO-MIA-JFK-LAS-LAX-BNE-HKG
Would entering US via LAX.
Would use the BNE/HKG following year.
Have stacks of QFF points to get to HKG to commence CP trip.
So stops would be SFO/MIA/JFK/LAS (4 so get 2 for free and pay $150 each for other 2.
Dec 29, 2011, 10:59 pm
#60
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Quick question on the Circle Pacific fares.
So, flying in J...Starting at home in LAS....
Can I go....LAS-LAX-SYD-(stop for 2 days)-AKL(stop for a couple days)-SIN (via SYD or MEL)(stop again in SIN for 2)-HKG (stop again or no?)-JFK (stop for 2 days)-DFW-LAS.
Would this fly/work as I need days in SYD, AKL, SIN and HKG on an upcoming trip.
Thanks.....
So, flying in J...Starting at home in LAS....
Can I go....LAS-LAX-SYD-(stop for 2 days)-AKL(stop for a couple days)-SIN (via SYD or MEL)(stop again in SIN for 2)-HKG (stop again or no?)-JFK (stop for 2 days)-DFW-LAS.
Would this fly/work as I need days in SYD, AKL, SIN and HKG on an upcoming trip.
Thanks.....
Last edited by goingbananas; Dec 29, 2011 at 11:08 pm
