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747-444 Nov 30, 2015 2:23 pm

Some routing advice on a DONE4 please.
 
Hi All,

I am going to be in Mauritius in December, following that I am visiting the family in South Africa. I thought I should look into starting a DONE4 in MRU but when I saw the base fare in USD being 50% more than in South Africa I thought NO WAY. However, it then struck me.

Can I buy my ticket in SA and start with a 'surface sector'. As in JNB-MRU (surface sector) and make my first flight BA MRU-JNB?

My routing would then be:

JNB-MRU(surface sector)-JNB-LHR-JFK-etc.

Can I do that?

rens Nov 30, 2015 4:48 pm


Originally Posted by 747-444 (Post 25792267)
Hi All,

I am going to be in Mauritius in December, following that I am visiting the family in South Africa. I thought I should look into starting a DONE4 in MRU but when I saw the base fare in USD being 50% more than in South Africa I thought NO WAY. However, it then struck me.

Can I buy my ticket in SA and start with a 'surface sector'. As in JNB-MRU (surface sector) and make my first flight BA MRU-JNB?

My routing would then be:

JNB-MRU(surface sector)-JNB-LHR-JFK-etc.

Can I do that?

Even if you could, which I very much doubt, The two sectors used seem a poor trade off for the about 14,000MUR cost of a one way ticket MUR-JNB.
Is there something unique that I am missing which makes this trade off attractive?

Gardyloo Nov 30, 2015 5:00 pm


Originally Posted by 747-444 (Post 25792267)
Hi All,

I am going to be in Mauritius in December, following that I am visiting the family in South Africa. I thought I should look into starting a DONE4 in MRU but when I saw the base fare in USD being 50% more than in South Africa I thought NO WAY. However, it then struck me.

Can I buy my ticket in SA and start with a 'surface sector'. As in JNB-MRU (surface sector) and make my first flight BA MRU-JNB?

My routing would then be:

JNB-MRU(surface sector)-JNB-LHR-JFK-etc.

Can I do that?

No, because SA would be the country of origin and you can't depart the country of origin twice -


Originally Posted by OWE Rules
(f) Only one international departure and one international arrival from/to the country of origin permitted

https://www.oneworld.com/documents/1...9-d346ec820edf

One possible workaround would be to originate in Namibia, where prices are pretty similar to SA, for something like WDH-xJNB-MRU-JNB-LHR...

Wasabi Tofu Nov 30, 2015 8:37 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 25792986)
No, because SA would be the country of origin and you can't depart the country of origin twice -

Probably, notation problem.

As 747-444 wrote

Can I buy my ticket in SA and start with a 'surface sector'. As in JNB-MRU (surface sector) and make my first flight BA MRU-JNB?
OP's intetion is probably,

JNB//MRU-JNB-LHR-...

Because of JNB//MRU isn't a flight sector, it doesn't DEPART.
So it may sutisfies one international depature from the country of origin.

If XXX//YYY can be treated as a flight segment,
can we do
NRT//HKG-JFK-LHR-HKG-NRT with ex-JPN fare ?
Whole positioning flight problem could be solved:)

ROUTING rule says

Intermediate surface sector are permitted at the passenger's expense
So, INTERMEDIATE surface sectors only. Maybe.

747-444 Dec 1, 2015 11:54 am

Thanks for the info.

I need some clarity on beginning a DONE4 with a surface sector. Because then I can begin in Windhoek with a surface sector to MRU.

Gardyloo Dec 1, 2015 12:11 pm


Originally Posted by 747-444 (Post 25796734)
Thanks for the info.

I need some clarity on beginning a DONE4 with a surface sector. Because then I can begin in Windhoek with a surface sector to MRU.

I don't think the rules are clear on an international surface segment as the first one, and I doubt if anybody at one of the member airlines is going to be much help.

Why don't you plug it into the online tool and see what happens? Not that I have much faith in the tool, but at least it's a data point.

jerry a. laska Dec 1, 2015 12:37 pm

The OP asked a similar question regarding starting a DONEWC in WDH and doing a surface segment to MRU.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...mauritius.html

Nothing different regarding a DONEx. As I noted at that time, I have not seen a report of anyone successfully ticketing an oneworld rtw product in one country and then using an initial surface segment to actually begin flying from another (more expensive) country.

OP what did you find out last year? Did you ever get anyone to ticket your DONECW3 with an initial surface segment?

747-444 Dec 1, 2015 12:45 pm


Originally Posted by jerry a. laska (Post 25796926)
The OP asked a similar question regarding starting a DONEWC in WDH and doing a surface segment to MRU.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...mauritius.html

Nothing different regarding a DONEx. As I noted at that time, I have not seen a report of anyone successfully ticketing an oneworld rtw product in one country and then using an initial surface segment to actually begin flying from another (more expensive) country.

OP what did you find out last year? Did you ever get anyone to ticket your DONECW3 with an initial surface segment?

I bought a separate ticket to MRU as there was no availability on BA.

I tried the online booking feature and it won't let me start with a surface sector.

Time to call QF.

747-444 Dec 1, 2015 7:41 pm

Just got off the phone to QF. The lady asked the fares desk who spent 25 minutes reading the rules and came back with a resounding NO. You may not start with a surface sector.

Unterwegs Dec 2, 2015 12:23 am


Originally Posted by 747-444 (Post 25798711)
Just got off the phone to QF. The lady asked the fares desk who spent 25 minutes reading the rules and came back with a resounding NO. You may not start with a surface sector.

That is correct. You can never start with a surface sectors. You could have intermediate surface sectors (there are some rules like no surface sectors between continents etc - check the full fare rules for this.

Considering how inexpensive the RTW from SA is you could just buy a OW from MRU to JNB and then start the RTW from there.
Or try to change your first ticket from MRU to WDH.


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